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Forget degrees - the university experience is what matters

Employers value rounded and insightful job candidates far more than mere qualifications

There is a common and tenacious misconception that employers care about university degrees. This idea seems to be especially prevalent in Hong Kong.

But it is largely balderdash, and the time has come to set the record straight as new students are just settling into their first month at university and need to know how their degrees are likely to be viewed by prospective employers.

Don't get me wrong, going to university is a definite plus but the courses students follow are rarely the biggest issue when it comes to getting a job.

I know this because as an employer I am not much bothered by what job candidates have studied, I am far more interested in how their learning experience shaped their ways of thinking.

Meanwhile, when I was an employee I cannot think of a single occasion when an employer asked me about my university course; aside from one misguided moment when I applied to work for an international bureaucracy.

Universities should prepare students for life, not the workforce

There are, of course some professions, such as law and medicine, which require specific qualifications offered by universities. Moreover some subjects, like engineering, also fulfil certain job requirements but academic courses tend not to be vocation specific.

So, setting these exceptions aside, we can recognise that the real task of universities, at least at undergraduate level, should be to provide a general education, hopefully in subjects that interest the students. Yet far too many students and their parents seem to think that universities are or should be glorified vocational training centres. There is a sense that some subjects, such as sociology, are a waste of time because global demand for sociologists is distinctly limited.

But this is to miss the point and insist that universities should focus on job training on the assumption that the sole purpose of education is to prepare young people for the workforce, whereas they should be preparing them for life. This is achieved in many ways but it includes developing critical faculties, deepening curiosity and learning to be articulate.

Meanwhile, at university there's something called friendship, nowadays demeaned by its description as "networking", depriving the term of its human element. Whatever it's called, lifetime bonds and associations are formed at universities that may well have a bearing on careers.

In the interests of full disclosure I should say that I have a degree in politics, often cited as a "useless" subject, moreover I was imprudent enough to embark on a PhD in the treacherous world of Middle East politics. That doctorate remains gloriously uncompleted although the university that I slunk away from occasionally sends me letters addressed to Dr Vines. Did I also mention that these letters tend to be soliciting funds?

Anyway the point is that nothing in the actual subject matter of my studies equipped me to run a food business. Indeed, I am not even sure that the curriculum had much direct relevance to my past life as a reporter but I am very grateful for the university experience because it transformed a rather unworldly school boy into a far more confident person equipped with thinking abilities that have proved to be useful in the workforce.

Now I'm at the hiring end of the table my eyes glaze over when candidates arrive for job interviews clutching files of certificates accompanied by wonderful tales of exam results. Don't get me wrong, these qualifications cannot be entirely dismissed but what I'm looking for at managerial level is someone who understands the business, has ideas and is capable of fitting in to the firm.

There is no great science in this, although, no doubt, a stack of management studies books, which aim at making a science out of this, is gathering dust somewhere. The thing is that when hiring people you have to rely on instinct, which means you are often wrong (well, okay, I am often wrong). Very few employers will rely exclusively on a job candidate's academic qualifications.

Having entered the workforce graduates can furnish experience and the recommendation of employers, but the catch-22 is how to get there in the first place, which means they have to impress prospective employers in other ways. This is where a broad educational background comes into play because a certificate-clutching job candidate with little to say is more than likely to lose out to a bright, self-confident person with a bit of depth to their thinking. At this point, as they say out there in the academic world: "discuss".

Stephen Vines runs companies in the food sector and moonlights as a journalist and broadcaster

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hars
I have been mentoring many young professionals in engineering and computer science, over 100 by now. I always remind them if they have started a task, please make sure that they finish it. In life, we are always sorry for our mistakes. The mistakes are not only what we have done but also what we have failed to do or complete. I share your pain of not finishing your PhD program, as I did not finish mine either due financial hardship. Knowing my shortcoming, I have to work much harder to convince the young not to repeat my mistakes - fail to do.
Good managers are also good mentors, as your trainees will be the leaders of your organization when you are promoted or retired. They are like puppies and think that you are their alpha dog. Historically, professors taught us to ask questions, the good questions, not only to give answers. It is not important whether you are major in science or arts, but learn well in problem solving. Some of the medical doctors in North America, their first degrees are not major in Science but Arts! It is all about good analytical skills, i.e. questioning.
By the way,I think failing a course is acceptable but withdrawing from a course is not a good sign...
mercedes2233
A long while ago, 'generalist' degrees were regarded as good training for young people, and they are regarded as being able to develop job-specific knowledge later at work. Since then, most employers seek a profession-ready university degree, so that humanities degrees in many countries are regarded as redundant. I think as long as employers view professional degrees as more desirable, generalist degrees will not be popular. Mr Vines is probably a rare employer to look for other non-documented attributes in job-seekers. It doesn't happen elsewhere.
silent is the night
maybe Mr.Vines is right in pointing out that our universities should not be viewed as glorified training grounds for workforce but a place to help our schoolboys mature and have independent thinking.He takes himself as a good example,he studied sociology in university and nearly finished his doctoral course in politics in Middle East.But after graduation,he first worked as a reporter, and now is a successful business in food sector plus a journalist.
kctony
This is my experience with large local companies.
I joined my company and noticed its failing management trainee program. The HR simply shortlisted the business graduates with the highest grades, a ****genous sample that mostly left 2 years later. I asked to shortlist every candidate with a resume over 3 pages regardless of discipline. After all, a fresh grad would have only one page for his academic qualifications.
It is from the extracurricular activities, community work, and other achievements that we could probably identify the relevant qualities in leadership, attitude, communication skills etc. a candidate might possess. Those are the qualities of future top managers. It is pure guess work just like a football club paying millions for a player.
I had a monthly “fun” session with the MTs (some were managers) discussing current issues in the industry, litigations, claims, anti-trust etc. We became an acquisition target of a German conglomerate. The merger would create business synergy as we were a major player in the US market. I asked what concerns would they dream of that might kill the deal.
All 15 MTs replied but only one came up with the answer I was looking for. “Boss, our top 2 customers were ****ish run. Would that be a problem?” The kid was a new recruit with a chemistry major.
Two years later after full integration to the German corporation, we lostthat account.
kctony
Very comforting to read, empathically I must say. I raised my son an alien way to most HK parents including my large family.

He loved school but never did well until grade 12. He read extensively since moving to the US and Canada at age 12. For a kid with opinions, he became teachers’ favorite in class. Like you, he chose political science as his major and, yes, caused some sort of concerns among his uncles and aunts. The inevitable question was "How is he going to make a living?" It's true he is earning the least among his 44 cousins but, at 26, he has a life envied by them all.
He loves his teaching job at the ESF. In spare times he spins his brain in his blogs, singing U2 and Pink Floyd in bars, getting his fix in violence in touch football, and pending ESF’s approval teaching children golf in weekends.
I disagree somewhat with you that employers value rounded candidates than qualifications. In HK it maybe the case for large corporations and institutions like the ESF. For local companies no matter how large, it’s quite the opposite. My son is a good example. He was invited to interviews by Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan, JW Thomson, and ESF, companies I say are more open minded. He was never invited by local large companies. Local firms look for candidates who could contribute immediately and would wonder “What can a political science major bring to the company?”
johnyuan
This is a timely article for those just begin their studies at the universities. It is advisable for universities to have it redistributed on the campus. It is too advisable for the students to take it into consideration in forming a university life that will extend beyond into the future.
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For the helicopter parents, think twice and deep next time when you just about to apply your parental influence over your kid. Read this article before you talk to your kid.
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There is something too for the employers. Get new graduates that you can see potential and future in a candidate. It is good business when business can change and adapt. A right workforce now hope will be equally the right workforce in the future too.

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