My Take
Friday, 28 September, 2012, 1:57am

A political system heading for collapse

Are we on an inexorable, if protracted, path towards universal suffrage or can it be reversed through political repression?

The authority and power of the Hong Kong government are being diminished by the day. Its top officials are mocked and ridiculed. If our government cannot do its job, someone eventually will have to take over.

Will that someone be chosen through direct election by the people or by direct appointment as an emissary of Beijing? Or will the current corrosive state of affairs - with an ineffectual government, an angry and disaffected public and a frustrated Beijing - drag on while our city sinks into a long-term decline?

It is so easy nowadays to round on the government, from Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying and further down the ranks. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Our ministers and senior civil servants are, as a whole, not necessarily worse than the British colonial mandarins of old, their contemporary counterparts on the mainland or top officials in similar positions in other countries (democratic or not). What they don't have is, on one hand, the ability to censor and shut citizens up, and on the other a recognised electoral mandate to govern and pursue policies, popular or not.

They have, in other words, the worst of both worlds. Under such circumstances, no one can govern effectively. Common sense says something has to give.

Social scientists often distinguish between society and state. In Hong Kong, we have a thoroughly democratic society coupled with a non-democratic state. Either the government becomes legitimately democratic or our society may become undemocratic again through the most extraordinary repression. The latter will be the last resort for Beijing, but it is a distinct albeit remote possibility.

As Hong Kong citizens, it is our responsibility to make sure this will never happen. We need to avoid excessive provocation of Beijing and work out a feasible constitutional reform package to achieve universal suffrage. This will require compromise and goodwill among the more forward-looking and moderate figures in our government, and within the pan-democratic and pro-establishment camps. Sadly, at the moment, it's hard to see that happening.

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shouken
Democracy is a religious ritual. But, sadly, most people have all been brainwashed to believe it is the only viable source of legitimacy.
Let them have their sop. It is an ox not to be gored. Although I for one just do not believe that it will be a cure-all. Once democratised there will be less strife and agitational politics? You wish! A historical accident raised the West, and everybody believes that their consolidated success is due to democracy and the rule of law.
captam
2.54 am. for your post
Wow, I have kept you up late!
Or perhaps you are one those overnight US traders siting in their bank offices twitching and wondering when their layoff letter will arrive.
Remitting Prosperity
Mate, as I said, I'm a Brit. In London 2.54am is 7.54pm. I notice you didn't answer any of my points.
This Bo Xilai (or 勃起来 as some call him) stuff is all rather fascinating, isn't it? Which side are you on, the hierarchy or Red China who now say;
"Last night, one of the core members of the ruling party’s leadership was suddenly turned into a demon,”. Surely you don't support Rightist Deviationists? I thought the Party was supposed to be always right. Besides, he is not the only corrupt one who has been making money out of his position. I would think the hard thing would be to find an official who does not. How would you know anyway? Criticism of the Party is 'subversion of State power' isn't it? And don't say, well , all Western politicians are corrupt too. Yes some are, but they are small time crooks compared to these guys. Besides, they are much more likely to be found out.
By the way, are you that Canadian guy 'watchingchina' who is always posting highly Chinese nationalist stuff on The Economist's website? The tone is remarkably similar.
SpeakFreely
Btw do you know about 30% of china university grads are unemployed and mostly work outside their majors as a waitress waiter etc....
SpeakFreely
China is not as successful as most of you describing. Take technology as an example. The top 5 IT technology firms in china employing total around 50,000 employees. The top one at peak was delisted in NYSE after hitting a market cap of 2b usd and now sued by investors as the company was faulting even on bank deposit. Now that us$2 b is vaporized ! The rest big fours are all listed in NYSE and Nasdaq are all under water about 10% to 30% of the peak price because of poor earnings. These are the top technolgy firms in china! Does it tell you some obvious problems there?
If you look at companies like Gome and Li Ning alike they are consumer good oriented and their earnings are so bad you probably can tell how bad is the economy. So if you still believe that 7.5% GDP growth....
Remitting Prosperity
Captam, Captam, dear oh dear! I can't let you get away with all that.
Firstly, let me say that I speak as a Brit. I must admit I did have a good laugh when I saw demonstrators in Hong Kong waving colonial era flags!
You are right to say that we did not allow democracy during most of the time that we ran Hong Kong, but there was freedom of the press and the rule of law, although with some corruption it's true. Most importantly, since 1949, in contrast to the Mainland, there were no famines, massacres, anti-rightist campaigns, Cultural Revolutions, laogai camps, or cannibalism (see Tombstone by Yang Jisheng). Hongkongers are scared of China, rightly.
As for the democratic progress allowed by China since the retro-cession, this was all negotiated by the British in the teeth of Chinese opposition. Indeed, the democratic reforms which had been introduced by Patten that increased the number of elected members in the Legislative Council were immediately abolished when China got its hands on the territory, and a new system introduced which produced the 'correct' result.
For your information, there was an 'Occupy' demonstration in London earlier this year which lasted for several months- no pepper sprays. And democracy is not collapsing. There is a financial crisis, true, but we have had these before. There is no support for one party rule.
Communism is a European invention, not Chinese, don't forget that. It didn't work in Europe and it will collapse in China too.
captam
"Communism is a European invention, not Chinese, don't forget that. It didn't work in Europe and it will collapse in China too. "
You obviously also haven't noticed that China is no longer "communist". It hasn't been so for nearly three decades.
Having a successful and centrally controlled one-party state has absolutely no connection with "communism" .
China is a socialist state yes, but the C.P. name on their party's banners indicate nothing other than its historical origin. Even Western nations' political parties are reluctant to change names after so may years in existence , in spite of their manifestos having moved on dramatically to suit the times. In Britain for example , and as a "Brit" you will know, there is still the Labour Party even though there is barely any industry remaining in Britain requiring 'labour". The " Middle Class Party" would surely be a more apt name, but the university-educated toffs who now dominate "Labour" wouldn't like to be labelled as that ............. even "communist" would sound better!
jpinst
How misinformed you are…in China today, students are taught that in order to reach the true form of socialism, they must follow the capitalist road. China's system of government is still nearly identical to the Soviet model, though its economic policies have changed. It still refers to itself as the "Communist Party" not the "Socialist Party." Communism is just further to the left of socialism, so if they wanted to let everybody know that CHina is no longer a Communist state, why not change the name then? Or is the goal still pure socialism?
SpeakFreely
Forget about the so called communist or socialist ...it is a matter about whether you are being spied on Internet, cannot access Facebook or alike in china, charged by police for no reasons, rich and poor gap that mountain people still have to carry desk to schools recently discussed on the net, corruption, etc etc...communist china kicked out the landlords 100 years ago because of what? But are they basically repeating the history by creating the super rich and the unfairness ? People bring case of cash from corrupted activities buying properties in hk and overseas...Are you proud of that as a chinese?
SpeakFreely
Don't over joy with so called chinese success. China has $3t reserve but 1.3b people so if government give away each one will get around 2.3k usd per person that is not a lot to clean up pollution, corruption, education etc...still many poor people out there in the mountain area. Secondly, with the one child policy china population is aging faster than the rest of the world. Plus only one spoiled child created per family and what do you think good for china long term? Thirdly, china is loosing manufacturing edge due to rising costs. China managed to maintain a budget surplus but with a very artificially low civil servant salary that is not real. China still lacking house hold name MNC and innovation. USA still spend 70% of its GDP in consumer spending that is almost double the size of china GDP. China GDP growth is still too much relying on export and infrastructure and little on consumer spending and is not substainable. China debt is not low as % of GDP if you count all local government debt. Corporate earning in china now is so bad that's why stock is still 40% of 2008 peak! The list just goes on wait until the bubble bursted.....if USA and europe the big customers is not buying, you think china the supply side will be ok? If u are a biz man you should have an answer...I live in USA and Hk I go to USA restaurants are full all the time it is not bad as you think man ...i worked in china for 6 yrs before retired And I had not gone back for even one single visit, why?

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