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My Take
PUBLISHED : Friday, 05 July, 2013, 12:00am
UPDATED : Friday, 05 July, 2013, 4:39am

Where were my neighbours on July 1?

If those who joined the July 1 march represent Hong Kong's majority, then where are those people in my neighbourhood? Statistically, the odds must be good for me to come across one or more protesters. I ran up and down the road to ask my neighbours this week if they took part on Monday and couldn't find a single one. Maybe they just didn't want people to know about their involvement, but I seriously doubt that.

From my highly unscientific and partisan survey, I conclude that there is the real quiet majority, people who have no time for politics or protest because they are not upset or don't care enough. Sure, I think most Hongkongers like me and my neighbours want full democracy, clean and efficient government and a fairer society. But most of us realise we already live in a free and safe city, with a relatively efficient civil service. Yes, it's a semi-democratic society full of defects and problems, but then what society isn't?

Many of us also don't want to antagonise or confront the central government. This may be for purely pragmatic reasons, but not a few of us may have patriotic respect for Beijing for what it has achieved in a generation by making the country, while not rich, at least not terribly poor like it was. We - like the vast majority of citizens on the mainland and most governments around the world - accept the central government as the legitimate government of China. And we believe it's better to work with Beijing in good faith to bring about full democracy than confronting it at every turn and denouncing mainland officials at every opportunity.

Such reasonable beliefs are not so hard to understand. But our anti-Beijing crowd insists on not understanding them, or ignoring and suppressing them, because they are at variance with their self-righteous and ideology-driven narrative. By definition, we may be in the majority but we don't make enough noise and attract attention. I respect people's right to protest, but I resent being presented with false choices - democracy good, Beijing evil - as if we were facing an existential moral crisis.

Like most ordinary people, I don't get invited to spring receptions with mainland honchos and local ministers. But if there is an occasion where a mainland official is present and wants to shake everyone's hand, I would certainly shake his as a respectful gesture. If my children tried to join those HKU or Scholarism under-aged protesters, I would ground them for a week and cut their allowances for a month. When the national anthem is played at a public event, I expect them to stand up.


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We should like to see
how self-styled democrats,
leaders of Demo / Civic, etc parties
respond to AL's opinion which
I believe represents the overwhelming majority
No slogan please
We mustn't allow public protests of bigots,
those brainwashed by outdated Western ideology
which they in any case misunderstand,
become a part of HK culture
and misrepresent HK
as a city of stupid copycats
unconscious followers
of red / yellow shirts and people's power
you are f-cking sheep... baaaahhh.... you make me sad... you are just a little pragmatic kleptocrat as well... you are right, you actually don't deserve more
Your question is a common debate tactic used by someone with a low IQ. What does Cultural Revolution have to do with what I say? Spinning more and more irrelevant questions and derogate your adversary's motive, of which you know nothing, belittle no one but yourself.
whymak's comments in scmp are
"pearl buried in hay"
playing piano to bulls
(can't write Chinese in this notebook)
so beautifully sad
Mr. Lo: You have expressed my sentiments as well, though not yet with the transcendental nuances of a Chinese soul.
For those well versed in our history, China is a civilization state like no other. But one must not mistake this as exceptionalism and universal value beliefs practiced in the West.
Throughout many rises and declines of dynasties, tyrants and enlightened emperors, prosperities and famines, barbarian invasions and internal revolts, there is always a definable unique Chinese identity. Not until late 19th Century, conquerors never succeeded in imposing their value systems. Instead, new rulers were assimilated into our culture.
The Opium Wars changed all that. Worse than being colonized, China became a slave of many masters. Her social fabric became frayed, then tattered. Past Chinese diasporas turned from trickles into torrents.
Now the big surprise. Overseas Chinese prosper, not just survive. Such ubiquitous success depends not on their host country’s state of economic development. Most importantly, the Chinese maintain their identity, as well as a subtle form of racism.
Chinese “secrets” are plain for everyone to see. Work ethnic, firm beliefs in meritocracy that allow individual talents and efforts to shine.
But elitism corrupts easily without virtue. Confucianism takes care of that with benevolence and kindliness.
Modern Democracy cult harbors many shallow and self-contradictory ipse dixits. I suppose sticking to literal Confucianism would produce the same. What we must keep in mind is there is such a thing as the Chinese soul.
There are no perfect governments and blameless leaders. Prerequisite to all good governance is a broad knowledge of the political economy, management and organization design, implementation knowhow.
Virtues and fairness in leadership, though essential, are not absolute. Eternal entities, e.g., speech freedom to Utopians and pseudo intellectuals, must be balanced dynamically against the needs of hundreds of millions still living on basic subsistence.
I am unabashed with my contempt for self-hate Hong Kongers and supercilious China baiting expats. Perhaps debating with them is throwing pearls before swine, or as best quoted from 正氣歌: 牛驥同一皁, 雞棲鳳凰食.
Men are not created equal. Some are born ugly, stupid, wicked and arrogant. Most assuredly, only virtuous elites should govern. Although virtues are dictated and tarnished by group survival, yet survival calls for contemptuous kindness (an oxymoron?) of the scumbags in our midst.
What if we become a populist mob rule? Just like centuries of our ancestors under tyrannies, we must learn to live with that too. In the course of history, everything comes to past.
jve: You're arguing the same way like a good Jesus freak or Islamic fanatic and repeating the same set of dogmas self-referenced from the Democracy Book of Moron. Your arguments bear no semblance to first-order logic used by good college students in debates. Did you by any chance go to the same schools as Sarah Palin?
Well said Alex. Precisely my sentiments.
Dragon Eyes: What if I tell you I derive the bulk of thinking skills from dead white males and I love equally Chinese and Western Civilizations? Do you listen to Beethoven, read Kant and Russell, and study Einstein and Riemann? Do you have white brothers and sisters in your extended family?
jve: Your mathematical illiteracy deserves no comment. You don't even know the fundamental definition of information, of which all coding, protocols, digitization, information transmission and presentation of this web page depend on, let alone modeling assumptions. All you know is quoting circular definitions of Democracy like superstitious folks self-referencing contradictory nonsense from their Book of Mor(m)on.
wwong888: 王八蛋大出洋相. You direly need to increase your exiguous 4-letter word vocabulary. I suggest that you and "jve" visit New York together and buy two tickets for "Book of Mor(m)on" on Broadway. Perhaps then 'jve" could learn talking on the level of #1 dingbat Sarah Palin and you, cursing like a good-natured, benevolent Canadian lumberjack.
Dai Muff
Ah. the "some of my best friends are black / gay / white" defence. Sorry but the chip on your shoulder is too apparent.
Everybody is whoever they want to be on the internet. Just going off to polish my Nobel prize now.




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