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PUBLISHED : Monday, 09 December, 2013, 5:21am
UPDATED : Monday, 09 December, 2013, 5:21am

Try petitioning for universal suffrage

Oh boy, there goes any hope of my getting that deputy propaganda chief's job from Beijing. They will probably now put me in the pan-democratic camp, not exactly my cup of tea either.

But I just read this intriguing idea that I thought I should share. It's posted by reader michaeldegolyer.

The idea is to get hundreds of thousands of Hong Kong people to petition Beijing to allow the nomination and election of a particular candidate for the chief executive.

If someone can get that many supporters, he/she really deserves to be our leader. But it might be rather odd to have to do this every five years for the chief executive election. So I assume it's a one-off petition and NOT a protest, a humble kowtow in the original meaning of the gesture by ordinary people before mandarins and emperors.

Michaeldegolyer goes further into the Chinese-constitutional right of petitioning, which ought to extend to Hong Kong. But I don't think that matters.

"Beijing" may or may not allow the petitioners to go to Beijing. But there is always the Liaison Office in Western, not as dramatic as thousands of Hong Kong petitioners bowing in the capital, but certainly much cheaper in terms of airfare.

Now here is a slightly different idea. I don't support or advocate it, but it's interesting. How about for the pan-dems to petition Beijing for their version of "real" democracy with a million signatures or petitioners? That's better than Occupy Central, which will be an illegal protest. Petitioning, on the other hand, is perfectly legal in Hong Kong and acceptable on the mainland.

If the pan-dems can gather so many supporters during this five-month consultation period, they will have proved they really have public support.

If not, well, some of us have always suspected there is far less than meets the eye with this bunch.

Do that and follow with Occupy Central, and you will have amplified your voices and multiplied your powers by a few orders of magnitude.

Of course, Beijing has every right to accept or reject a humble petition, whether by a single villager or a million Hongkongers. We must respect that too.


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A very good and fair proposal from Michaeldegolyer ! And a good column today Mr Lo.
A million signed petitioners (of course : with ID card numbers and home address ) would be a much more effective path than any 1 July anonymous demonstration, and certainly more more sensible than Occupy Central which can - with just a few thousand determined, anonymous (and face-masked?) demonstrators - cause illegal havoc.
OK, over to you all you Pan-Dems. You warble on and on about : "give us democracy / give us universal suffrage / etc" . In fact that seems to be your only policy platform so we don't have the slightest idea what you would do if you ever get a majority in Legco and/or a pan-dem CE elected. .
Get out there and start collecting the signatures.
Start today !
What are you waiting for ?
Or does the shadow of failure loom too dark for you?
A petition is akin to approaching the government on bended knees begging for something which should be a RIGHT.
I wonder if Mr Lo will ever understand that the Hong Kong people want the RIGHT to determine who governs us, not dependence on the uncertain favour of the group of unelected kleptocrats that is the CCP.

This was interesting for about 3 seconds, now let's move on to more realistic ways to implement a democratic electoral reform with genuine universal suffrage and much more transparency and accountability than the current mess.
Absolutely a positive step towards the further "mainlandisation" of HK! Hope it works out.
Hey, maybe the HK Police can set up some black jails in the new territories run by their triad buddies of the K_u_k to manage them?
‘Oh boy, there goes any hope of my getting that deputy propaganda chief's job from Beijing. They will probably now put me in the pan-democratic camp, not exactly my cup of tea either.’
Far from throwing AL in pan-democratic camp, I for one nominate him to fill more than a deputy propaganda chief’s job but to be the next Chief Executive of Hong Kong. He possesses timely qualifications to fill the needs of Hong Kong.
He is amusing but inspiring too. He is locally rooted but with international exposure. He is young but pragmatic. So I have at least covered him of his character, root and age for consideration.
The only glaring disagreeable element in him for me is his preference for the local education system. I almost can forgive him since it is such a deep rooted mentality shared by all parents in Hong Kong. AL being a parent too keeps silent on school bandings. He is for elitist education system in Hong Kong as long as it is affordable. But he will be immediately dumped by the petitioners ever smell even a whiff of slightest change in his position. .
Any second?
I’m interested in johnyuan’s diversion to education
Students’ learning abilities and preferred learning environments differ
HK’s local education system is neither perfect nor totally without merit
Two 100% locally educated HKU graduates are among the few people
who I’d consider to have the best English
One of them is so well versed in global affairs
and so abreast with trends qbroad
he makes me wonder how some of the returnees
and those with a foreign diplomas spent their times overseas
Nowadays “elite” schools mainly refer to “old” schools
Some schools in the “new” towns are known to have excellent results
in public exams as well as in co-curricular activities
I partly agree with the letter of a parent with children in local and IB schools
that local schools offer better training in sciences
IB schools have better liberal arts program
But all factors considered, bright local children
can always benefit more in local schools
cognitive consonance
Mr. Lo forgot that any petitioners that the Dems can round up will probably not have to face the business end of black jails if they go to the Liason Office, so that is another distinct advantage vs going to Beijing. And people want the PRC's system in HK? Are these people nuts?
I also enjoyed Mr. Lo's final caveat. So even if there was an overwhelming public display of unity, he would "respect" Beijing's right to run roughshod over HKers. Hmmm, Mr. Lo's "respect" seems like a funny thing, and he seems to misplace it from time to time. Although it does serve as a useful Freudian slip...no matter what HKer's want, Mr. Lo will forever side with only that which Beijing wants. Now if that's not ample qualification for "deputy propaganda chief", I don't know what is. I'd be happy to second JY's motion. All in favour?
A list like this gives the powers that be a sifted and sorted roster of individuals who will be subject to "special attention" and/or crackdown and harassment.
A petition to Beijing is legitimizing their robbery of self-determination from the people of Hong Kong. That should be perceived, yet for some reason is not, as a grave insult to the people of Hong Kong.

Why does it seem like the people of Hong Kong do not have a problem with the fact that their fundamental right of self-determination was forcibly robbed from them by China during the 1984 Sino-British negotiations? Is it due to a sense of inferiority or a fatal lack of self-respect? I can understand the desire to belong to a country, but shouldn’t this be the collective, voluntary choice by the people of Hong Kong and not imposed by an external party?
One just needs to look at the Ukraine now. See how they handle protest. That's protesting.
"A revolution is not a dinner party" said by Mao Zedong. Perhaps he addressed this to Hong Kong, specifically.




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