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PUBLISHED : Tuesday, 28 January, 2014, 4:12am
UPDATED : Tuesday, 28 January, 2014, 4:23am

Jailing of Xu Zhiyong a disgrace

You can understand why Chinese authorities consider Liu Xiaobo such a political threat. His call for democratisation and peaceful political transition may sound moderate to people living outside China. But the demands to allow multiparty politics and a separation of powers in the "Charter 08" political manifesto he co-authored amounts to a direct challenge to China's one-party rule and its monopoly on all the key branches of government. You can call it what you like, but switching to having multiple parties competing for political power would effectively amount to a regime change from the current political system monopolised by the Communist Party.

The case against dissident Xu Zhiyong is more difficult to justify. The law lecturer is far less subversive; he is not challenging the central government's power or its legitimacy. He has merely called for what President Xi Jinping and former premier Wen Jiabao have themselves demanded. In one of his last major speeches before he left office, at a State Council executive meeting, Wen urged reform and repeated the call to uphold the rule of law.

Xi has made it one of his policy priorities to crack down on corruption and impose austerity on party cadres. Yet Xu has been jailed for four years, ostensibly for "assembling a crowd to disrupt public order". But no serious independent observer doubts he is being punished along with several others for being part of the New Citizen movement, which has campaigned to compel officials to disclose their assets.

Doesn't the movement's aim coincide with Xi's anti-corruption drive, which has extended far and wide, having had almost 37,000 officials investigated last year? Powerful officials have been targeted, including Zhou Yongkang , the former security tsar, and Li Dongsheng , a former deputy national police chief.

Both Xi and Xu are demanding cleaner government. But some official investigations into corruption also sound like purges as part of Xi's drive to consolidate power. For example, Zhou and Li were reportedly close associates.

Xu wants fair disclosure laws that would apply to all relevant officials, including some very rich state leaders. Xi's anti-corruption is far more selective.

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321manu
As a good samaritan, I have no objection to baby-sitting an esteemed 3 year old like yourself when it is required. Besides, children are our future, as they say. So maybe it's not too late to salvage what's left of your misguided grey matter in the service of something not completely useless. For the reach should exceed the grasp, or what's a heaven for.
Not sure about your fixation with "winning". A common affliction among CCP apologists. Who takes measure of "winning" against anonymous entities on the internet? And yet you guys are often preoccupied with such nonsense. That might explain why more important things like logic are instead ignored.
Anyway, if you're here, you're here, and I'll be thankful for the amusement. If you're not, I have ample alternatives at my disposal. Stop talking about what you might do, and simply do it. The flighty prose/poetry you've offered up here is just a superfluous exercise in verbal diarrhea.
I'd "review" what you've written if it had anything worth reviewing. But it doesn't. Never has, likely never will. Don't forget that your purpose here is for the amusement of others. To even suggest that it might be something more would be a pure flight of fancy on your part. If you want any semblance of hope to escape the hole in which i have you pegged, start by at least responding to the OP, and do much less of the stupid idiotic babbling for which you are known. I'm sure you'll be back soon. CCP apologists just can't help it.
pslhk
321manu
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glad to see your reference
to “at least in my circles”
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holidays are communal
that’s why the spring train rush in China
going back home
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this public forum will soon be all yours
while everybody is home for celebration
I trust you can find other entertainments
besides baby-talking to somebody you consider 3-year old
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alright you "have won are winning and will win"
all past present and future arguments
with your "erudite logic and supreme intelligence"
simply invincible
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now take a bath go to bed and wake up a new man
for the new year go adopt a puppy as a gift to yourself
that should help
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we all should be charitable in new spring
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if you want discussion
something different from baby-talking
first review what I’ve written
and finish the suggested reading assignment
write up a decent summary
then I will see
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I've called and a vehicle is coming
I've flowers to bring home so I'm not walking back
so don't count the hours and minutes of my next posting
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sincerely
happy CNY

pslhk
Thanks lexishk
for giving smartie
who has been working doggedly to engage
an exit to disengage with face
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you’re right
that I haven’t the slightest interest talking with youS
if we met in street or other occasions
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I repeatedly admonished “gor jeu” in the past
and have been trying to flush
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One should not ask for / attend a seminar
without first meeting the required standard
and doing the required reading assignment
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happy CNY
321manu
Exit? Nah. Free entertainment from the likes of Pierce m'boy is not worth giving up just yet. And he does amuse me so, what with his unique brand of poor logic, weird diction, speaking in tones, logical fallacies, and juvenile humour. It's not a combo one is likely to come across IRL, at least in my circles.
Are you giving a seminar? In the art of incredible CCP apologist stupidity in the post modern era? I wonder, is it any more engaging in person than online? Cuz if you're even funnier in the flesh, that might be a show I'd check out.
Hey, so no response on how the mention of Snowden is relevant to Xu's case, other than as your usual tu quoque logical fallacy? Come now, you're plenty loquacious on the useless stuff; why so quiet on something requiring actual adult human cortical activity? Or is that unbecoming of a CCP apologist?
pslhk
a smartie after breakfast is a sin I can’t refuse
this one’s coconut is thick as usual
with little white matter and nothing else but water
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before I'm leaving the house
the following isn’t for thick crusted coconut
but for potential clones if matrix reloads
in any case mogician may forget hiser glogic
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for brevity I skipped implicit steps
which logic would require the average reader to fill in
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none among all those who disagree with me is possibly a bigot?
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as no reason is offered why I can’t/shouldn’t call a bigot
who disagrees with me a bigot
it is reasonable to assume
that the “penalty” is based on the “definition”
that my ideational opponent can’t be a bigot
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for repeated public demonstration of bigotry
refer to smartie’s performance
qed
321manu
Wow, is this site becoming a "dear diary" entry for Pierce m'boy? I suspect his twitter feed is filled with pictures of his meals. He might even be mistaking that for social commentary. or whatever a child's equivalent might be.
"none among all those who disagree with me is possibly a bigot?"
---yet another logic lesson is in order. They might be, or they might not be. But the act of disagreeing with you by itself has no bearing whatsoever on the question.
Your second last "stanza" doesn't qualify as English is any sensible form of the concept. And I'm beginning to suspect you don't even know the meaning of "bigot".
"why I can’t/shouldn’t call a bigot
who disagrees with me a bigot"
---that's a rather circular attempt at...a statement? How do you not fall down more? Well, maybe you've fallen and can't get up as we speak. Your "intellect" is certainly ground level if not downright subterranean.
Anyway, herein endeth the lesson for now. I'm sure you'll be coming back for more later, such as you are.
lexishk
321manu: I admire your patience, persistence and bona fides, I really do. But there's a saying on the internet: "don't feed the troll". Would you waste your breath having a conversation with this guy if you met him on the street? Life's too short, mate.
321manu
I interact with Pierce m'boy simply for amusement. So when there's nothing on TV, when I need to take a break from Forza 5, and I need to moderate my gorging of episodes on Netflix, I come here for alternate forms of entertainment. And Pierce m'boy provides it like clockwork. Since he amuses me, I indulge him. I readily acknowledge the possibility that the humour of his insanity may not be an attribute I care to seek out indefinitely, but for now I'm still game for more.
lexishk
Well then, good luck and enjoy!
pslhk
extract from my 9:56am giving to $1
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"don’t waste time lily gilding
preoccupied with elaborating (and misapplying) the well understood
to prove a well demonstrated nature
that’s nothing if not retarded superficial and ($1 saved)"
-
btw
smartie's misunderstanding of my "misuderstading"
is most likely the right meaning of $1
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smartie last informed readers sHe was going to take a shower
did smartie follow my advice and go play ball?
321manu
Hey Pierce m'boy, that "stanza" wasn't very funny the first time. Was it really so nice that you had to say it twice? Come now. I'm counting on you to say fresh stupid stuff each time. Rehashing stupid stuff you've already said makes me feel ripped off. Well, since you're amusing me for free, I suppose I'll accept it this one time. I do understand that even expert-level idiots like you must have trouble coming up with truly stupid things to say every single time. Consider this a mulligan.
pslhk
lexihk spoke ably for the lexi profession
"It's all about vested interests, paranoia and control"
-
as a Chinese saying goes
even Cao Ciao had friends
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how many bigot(s) can you find
in this series of exchanges?
-
you may be just another smartie
for defining that everyone who disagrees with me can’t be a bigot
for neglecting that your vituperative senior’s addiction
with m’boy, stupid, lunatic … etc
-
here’s 2 dollars for lesser smartie
to suggest an appropriate replacement
for describing a superficial narrow-minded and biased person
such as lesser’s senior who misapplied tu quoque
-
imagine that cab rank rule requires you
to take on a client with my position
then you might begin to see the real arguments
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so far I can see 2 (yes two) bigots
more may be coming alone
but never enough to counter
what are good reasons and purposes
for understanding and developments
321manu
"to suggest an appropriate replacement
for describing a superficial narrow-minded and biased person"
---c'mon, look in the mirror. Pierce m'boy it is!
"for defining that everyone who disagrees with me can’t be a bigot"
---here's another basic lesson in logic for someone who has none. You can't prove a negative. Disagreeing with you and bigot are not causally related things. So someone who disagrees with you could go either way on the bigot scale. And the burden is on you to establish your claim. What you lack in logic would be child's play for a ten year old. How can anyone be as stupid as you?
Anyway, when you grow a brain, remember to comment on the OP, cuz you've yet to do so. And explain what Snowden has to do with Xu. Good luck, cuz you'll need it.
I've always found that the true idiots tend to be self-proclaimed geniuses. You are no exception to the age-old rule. Not surprisingly, most CCP apologists fall into your same category. Rather typical.
pslhk
$1
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I can’t help braving lightening strike
so to speak as all Cantonese understand
and show you the pity of humanity
-
don’t waste time lily gilding
preoccupied with elaborating the well understood
to prove a well demonstrated nature
that’s nothing if not retarded superficial and ($1 saved)
-
then you may begin to learn how thinking
is not the same as your habit of regurgitation
and the historic Cold War is now fought only in your mind
-
as you venture into the next step
you’d see that you’ve been reproving yourself
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go get ready for CNY
you’d benefit from socialization like my MBF
who has a more open character than smartie
321manu
I see that Pierce m'boy has moved on to speaking in tongues. I guess when all else fails, that's what the CCP apologist playbook suggests.
John Adams
Mr Lo, I fully agree with you.
The one single thing blocking China's long-term progress is the absence of the independent rule of law.
Once that matter is settled, corruption will subside to something like HK or S'Pore levels, because when China does something in earnest it does it for real .
The same will apply to pollution
lexishk
It would genuinely be a great leap forward for China, but the loyalists and apologists will continue to oppose it nonetheless. It's all about vested interests, paranoia and control.
pslhk
soon after a miscalculated figure of speech
the bigot has misapplied tu quoque
-
apparently smartie’s logical expertise
is from self education using a book of logical terms
for high school students for bluffing purpose
but even that seems out of smartie’s depth
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snowden awaits trial in a “legitimate court”
xi was sentenced by a “kangaroo court”
there is a Cantonese saying about smartie
who can be read by the movement of hiser tail
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beware of smartie aka mogician for mal logician
who claims to use “endearing” address for stupid brainless … lunatic
and sHe is addicted to the derogative colonial term m’boy
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if the sea fish I just got from Mongkok this afternoon weren’t smarter than smartie
at least they look more interesting
so I’d swallow this one again
smartie's sweetie function consummated
when it emerges again
commingled with hiser kind
I’d flush it
321manu
Once again, a whole bushel full of useless verbiage. Are you suggesting that the CCP farce of a trial for Xu was something other than a kangaroo court? Cuz that would be quite funny. Well done, Pierce m'boy.
Do you have an issue with Snowden's indictment? If so, what is it? I love to hear it, cuz the next time you make a logical and coherent point will be the first time. And why bring up Snowden at all? How is it relevant to Xu's case? Listen, if you're gonna use idiotic logical fallacies, at least have the strength of conviction to own it. You are such a typical CCP apologist - get called on a logical fallacy, and spend days obfuscating about it. It is a disgrace that bespeaks substandard genetic lineage.
Anyway, Pierce m'boy, your bowel habits are amusing in a rather base and juvenile sense, but what is clear is that you lack the intestinal fortitude and the intellectual capacity for any form of meaningful discussion. Of course, this is not a new observation on my part. But I am concerned in that your comment here isn't even that funny, and if you fail to amuse me, you will have lost your one and only purpose in life. That would truly be a shame. Maybe in your next incarnation you'll at least have some wittier capacity for smack talk, cuz right now you sound like a grade-school flunky.
lexishk
You shall hereafter be fined $1 for every use of the word "bigot" in reference to someone who has a viewpoint different to yours.
pslhk
"jailing of Xu Zhiyong a disgrace"
"prosecution of Edward Snowden a disgrace"
why are x and s charged for pursuing
their countries’ declared national values?
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intellectual integrity demands respect for these meaningful questions
that they aren’t to be dismissed by spinal reflects
but should be followed by fact finding and soul searching
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08 the year of the copycat charter is a critical year
to appreciate its significance
start with W Engdahl’s target china
then think and research and think and research some more
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avoid knee jerks such as that demonstrated below
by smartie 666 the habitual reflector
who mistakes bowel movement as his logical thinking:
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“… tells us that corruption is not what Xi is fighting after all”
“…using corruption simply as an excuse to purge his political foes”
“… a latter day version of Mao”
“China is run by people who selfishly seek to enrich and empower themselves”
"The most amazing thing of all is ..."
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smartie can’t be so smart that he won’t look back
and laugh at his own jokes
321manu
People who understand logic realize that tu quoque is a logical fallacy. Of course, Pierce m'boy the dumbo doesn't, so naturally, he doesn't.
Indeed, Snowden's treatment is a disgrace as well. But that doesn't alter the Xu case one iota. We could p**** further the difference between Snowden awaiting his day in court in a legitimate prosecution, versus Xu who got jailed after a kangaroo court. But I'm sure that sort of subtlety eludes our resident dumbo.
Man, what is it with CCP apologists and their fascination with bodily functions? It's a fixation that bespeaks much deeper psychological depravities. Sadly, Xi and the CCP are no laughing matter for Chinese people. It really takes a certain deplorable type of person to justify jailing a guy who was peacefully protesting for increased government transparency and less corruption. But hey, when you're a CCP apologist like Pierce m'boy, that's your lot in life.
Naturally, Pierce m'boy is the opposite of smart. But if he had a brain, maybe he might try to tell us how Xi throwing a guy campaigning against corruption is a sign of Xi fighting corruption. Or how Xi's eagerness to fight corruption explains why the CCP is suppressing a report of CCP cadre with off-shore accounts. That's what an intelligent person would do. Pierce m'boy obviously isn't one of them, so instead, we get the above...which I would charitably describe as an "opinion" insofar as he had some random thoughts and put them on paper.
lexishk
I'm indebted to you, 321manu. I didn't realise it was the one and only Pierce Lam's poetry I was suffering through on a daily basis. Now it all makes so much more sense.
321manu
I can't take credit. Someone else clued me in. Apparently this Pierce dude is a rather infamous idiot who gets around. Thankfully I only expose myself to his unique brand of stupidity on this site.
321manu
Well let's face it, jailing Liu Xiaobo is itself a crock-pot full of baloney. His "crime" was to suggest consideration for an alternative to the CCP's one party rule. In fact, the only crime in that case was that the CCP lacked the confidence in its own system's ability to withstand scrutiny, and competition. But while the Liu case is old news (unless you are Liu, I suppose), it's more than coincidence that it shares some themes with the CCP's current crime against Xu.
In Xu's case, like with his predecessor, protest was non-violent. The guy wants more transparency, and less official corruption. Ostensibly, it's what Xi Jinping wants. But the fact that Xu ended up in jail tells us that corruption is not what Xi is fighting after all. Instead, Xi is using corruption simply as an excuse to purge his political foes...and you can start the tally back with Bo Xilai. Xi is just a latter day version of Mao, using populist memes as cover in order to consolidate political power.
So the only crimes here, with Liu and Xu, are that China is run by people who selfishly seek to enrich and empower themselves, within a system that seeks to stamp out alternatives out of fear. What a fantastic model. The most amazing thing of all is that some HKers actually want to get themselves some of that great action.
 
 
 
 
 

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