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PUBLISHED : Tuesday, 10 June, 2014, 4:51am
UPDATED : Tuesday, 10 June, 2014, 4:51am

It's time for radical political groups in Hong Kong to face hard political realities

A Post op-ed recently castigates the rise of radical anti-democracy groups. They keep interfering with "the otherwise peaceful forums, rallies, demonstrations and protest marches" of pro-democracy groups and often hurl verbal abuse at them. Among these groups are the Justice Alliance, Caring Hong Kong Power and Defend Hong Kong Campaign.

Having been to a few of these rallies, I must say the verbal abuse was usually mutual. As for turning peaceful rallies into confrontation, I think the more uncompromising pan-democrat or anti-mainland groups have been far more active and ready to fight with police.

Those pro-Beijing groups are a joke and hardly deserve to be taken seriously. They have no real political influence or public support. However, the "radical" groups in the pan-democratic camp are no joke; they are close to taking over the whole movement and marginalising the more moderate democrats.

Scholarism and People Power succeeded in undermining all election reform proposals by moderate democrats in favour of their own civic nomination plans for the Occupy Central mock referendum to be held this month.

When you have Wong Yeung-tat of Civic Passion accusing Lee Cheuk-yan and the Alliance in Support of Patriotic Democratic Movements in China of being useless, or Scholarism's Joshua Wong Chi-fung heckling Civic Party legislator Ronny Tong Ka-wah like he was part of the chief secretary's entourage, you have a pretty extreme makeover of the whole movement.

Joshua Wong's only real democracy is civic nomination with no room for compromise. The older Wong told Lee he didn't just want full democracy, but to overthrow the Chinese Communist Party. I guess that means no deal and no negotiation.

The "radicals" on both sides have more in common than they think. Both refuse to recognise certain basic realities. On the one hand, some kind of full democracy is inevitable for Hong Kong. On the other, there is this colossus called China. The mainland will influence and dictate to Hong Kong simply by sheer geographical proximity. The communist state is not going away. The sooner we produce a political system and politicians who can reconcile these hard realities, the better.

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whymak
pslhk:
These morons are losers. The reason they behave this way is because they have nothing more to lose.
Sensible well-off Hong Kongers feel the pain of our compatriots -- the decreasing upward mobility of the underprivileged. I attended St. Joseph's College when HK living standard was only a fraction of the US. My schoolmates ranged from ones hovering at poverty line to the very wealthy. Yet everyone I know seems to have made it into middle class or better after long struggles from 60s to 80s. We did it under the most discriminating conditions of the colonial government. Never once I remember anyone scapegoating the British for our hardships.
Now these lunatics all desire to achieve instant power, wealth distribution and political fame not by self reliance and education, but by subverting governments and institutions.
The oligarchy left in place has been strengthened under the bureaucratic autopilot since 1997, with worsening cronyism and wealth concentration. By subverting the SAR administration, nut cases are denying any meaningful policy making that might lead to a better life for all.
These imbeciles are intoxicated with mob power, an anathema to effective policy making. Their goal is to dissolve all cooperation between Beijing and HK through a chaotic free-for-all election. 一拍兩散 is now euphemized as their struggle for HK self governance.
One thing for sure. If they lose an open election, they will behave exactly like the Thais -- more street riots.
johnwe
I think you have the situation right. That brat cannot get over the impact sloarism had in the spat over the curriculum. With so much time spent on political activities, what studies can he do? I hope he fails badly and become unemployable. In anycase, who would want to employ someone who would be asking for leave every week or be on the net to promote his campaigns? SCMP perhaps?
I was pleasantly surprised how well the CS put him down and told him to mind his manners. What kind of parents does he have?
Why are we wasintg time onf this tourble makers who cannot even think ?
whymak

There are far too many children being used by politicos to boost headcount in demonstrations. There ought to be a law against it.
Have you seen insults and fisticuffs exchanged between demonstrators and counter demonstrators? So far our police has behaved admirably when confronted by verbal insults. In any Western country, the foul-mouthed teacher would have served time for disorderly conduct and abuse of officers.
Only fools believe crowd stampedes and tempers could always be contained when hateful dark passions similarly expressed by readers here run amok. Don't forget the safety of those children in these demonstrations. Even a good-willed Lan Kwai Fong crowd could easily kill 20. You can only blame this on mob behavior.
Murphy Law says the worst would eventually happen when given a chance. When blood flowed in the streets, Benny Tai and his ilk would wash their hands behind the ivory tower and point their fingers at the Beijing government.
HK government is so stifled by fear of the mob. Constabulary actions are seldom taken against physical assaults, misdemeanors and disorderly conduct. In any Western country, hurling innocuous objects -- shoes, bananas, etc. -- at speakers is considered physical assault, but not in HK.
How could you guarantee that absolutely no one -- and there are plenty of provocateurs -- wouldn't snap or turn suddenly violent in a demonstration?
Just remember that during 6/4, blazing guns were the only proper response to killing soldiers.
ejychan@connect.hku.hk
Wow, classic CCP propaganda...
whymak
Scholarism brats and under age demonstrators in Victoria Park have now become Hong Kong Red Guards, with Benny Tai, Cardinal Zen and other adults morphing into the Gang of Four and their followers.
China bashing expats must be enjoying this 3-ring circus. Democracy Cultists demand for a total Western cosmetic makeover -- free for all nominations and elections -- has clearly demonstrated HKers' propensity for mindless imitations of decadent, violent Western cultural imports, i.e., Marxism-Leninism, Democracy and Abrahamic faith.
kctony
When I got out of the train in Guangzhou carrying basic necessities to my uncle, the red guards were waiting for the passengers - the Bourgeoisie from Hong Kong - and one by one a red guard came and looked at every one of us. A teenage girl my age asked me to take my shoes off and she cut them up because it was too western. The deafening noise behind her was frightening.
So please go to meet the Scholarism brats if you have the courage and see if they take anything from you.
The Red Guards were led by the government. Scholarism is a voice against an incompetent government.
Benny Tai & Company - Gang of Four? You must be delusional.
Please compare apple with apple.
gunzy
Has Chinese history shown us that it is any better then the Western cultural imports?
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We have a very violent history ourselves....
whymak
Minbao reported yesterday on something that Benny Tai said. He wants to hurt HK bad so that China would comply with his wishes. 佔中發起人戴耀廷曾經同人講過,佔中係要傷害香港,咁就能逼中央就範喎。 When questioned, he didn't deny it because he couldn't.
What conclusion do you draw from this cutting the nose to spite the face intent? A strong hatred for China, plain and simple.
Readers' comments below reflect exactly the same sentiments. Are there any constructive agendas on how to manage HK's political economy other than demand for chaotic free-for-all nominations and elections? NONE. Even in the most dysfunctional democracies -- and there are more of them than well functioning ones, political activists and candidates ask to be elected because they claim having strategies to rebuild government. Allowing people with nothing but hate and resentment to participate in a rational discussion is a travesty of speech freedom.
Ironically, even Benny Tai realizes that China cares for Hong Kong. How else do you one interpret his confidence that China will accede to his blackmail by holding HK hostage?
Before any hate mongering reader attempt to reply to my post, ask yourself if you're not a knee-jerk cheerleader of Tai-Chan-Chu trio.
How About
Sagan wrote of science :
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One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power [your boogeyman] over you, you almost never get it back.
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Feel free to insert the boogeyman of your choice...
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fayefaye528@yahoo.com
Democracy won't work in Hong Kong.
There are traitors, including some politicians, political groups and news media, being funded by the foreign governments for stirring up chaos in Hong Kong. The situation would get even worse if Hong Kong adopted the universal suffrage, which would enable foreign governments to easily plant numbers of puppet political parties to go against the Central Government for the ultimate benefits of these greedy foreign countries.

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