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Hole in Hong Kong's population figures revealed
Government admits it cannot say how many foreigners and mainlanders live in the city, leading to calls for overhaul of data collection
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Pressure over Hong Kong's population policies increased yesterday after the government admitted it had no idea how many foreigners and mainlanders lived in the city.
Critics said the lack of figures was another indication of the government's inability to get to grips with the issue.
They said a total overhaul of the system for collecting data was needed if the city was to address the problems of its ageing population and declining birth rate.
The Post inquired about the number of non-locals living in the city after Singapore - seen as the city's main rival in Asia - set out a road map for its population polices on Tuesday based on a huge rise in immigration.
None of the Hong Kong government departments handling immigration and statistics - the Security Bureau, the Immigration Department and the Census and Statistics Department - was able to provide a reliable figure.
Neither did they know how many foreigners had left after obtaining permanent residency.
It means the government does not know the demographics of who really lives here, who contributes to the economy and who requires local resources.
Paul Yip Siu-fai, a demographics expert at the University of Hong Kong - and a member of the government's steering committee on population policy - said immigration data was vital.
"It is important to know if they are part of the workforce and what sectors they are working for when analysing the supply of manpower and the demand for extra infrastructure," he said. "We should let the figures speak for themselves. We don't even have reliable and updated figures for policy-making. We are lagging far behind Singapore."
Another committee member, Chinese University demographics expert Shen Jianfa, hoped the government would provide information that would help them construct polices.
Asked by the Post, the Census and Statistics Department said it did not track the number of immigrants. And the Immigration Department gave a figure for foreign residents - but it does not include mainland immigrants and foreigners who have become permanent residents. The figure of 603,229 at the end of December included a large proportion of domestic helpers.
The figure fluctuated over the past year by as much as 53,000 a month, with the department counting only those physically present in the city on the last day of each month. It is not known how many of those 603,229 foreigners are still in the city.
The Security Bureau had a figure for how many immigrants had entered Hong Kong last year, including mainlanders and overseas professionals on work permits, and had similar figures for previous years. But it could not say how many had left each year.
According to the bureau, 102,234 immigrants entered last year, a 21 per cent rise on 2010.
Singapore's proposed policies could see foreigners making up nearly half of its population by 2030. It plans to allow in between 15,000 and 25,000 new citizens a year along with 30,000 permanent residents.
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Visa-free entrants can't work legally
Work visa holders staying here long enough
would learn to appreciate HK advantages
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In honesty, 99.9% of "returnees" who left HK were also-rans
They returned to escape un- or under-employment overseas
Creme dl c never needed to leave
having exacped unemployment overseas
returnees' local edge is to bluff about overseas experiences
Everything's better over there
indeed why have they returned?
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Consider the control of milk powder trafficking,HK land for HK people,zero quota for mainland mothers,parallel trading control,all these measures are for the good of HKers,it should not be seen as racism acts.If any resentment prevails among HKers and foreigners,it's only minor quarrels within siblings and society members.Ironically,the polarization of HKers is even more intense especially on political issues.
The Census Department allegedly fabricates population figures,adds to the lousy data control of such given that border control of HK is efficient,indeed simple software will work that out because people in and out must produce records in the Immigration Department;mades me think that someone in HK are windbags,indeed;creating numerous policy holes.
Holes created by windbags by someone in the society and the government.
And ,of course,a clear definition of HK resident must be stated in order to formulate housing policy.
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When I went to university they ask if you are a local or non-local student. The definition is "if you require permission from the director of immigration to study in Hong Kong you are a non-local". If you don't require such permission you are a local.
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(1) Residency
“To become a permanent resident you just need to live in a place permanently”?
Wiki:
*The Life in the United Kingdom test is a computer-based test constituting one of the requirements for anyone seeking Indefinite Leave to Remain in the UK
*A sample test taken by 11,118 British citizens had a pass rate of only 14%
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(2) Foreigner
bmr:
“Try not to feel bad if you are a foreigner”
To be fair:
Be grateful if you’re a foreigner,
People from under-developed places, like HK,
have no equal right to visit USA visa-free, or become
permanent UK resident without passing tests most UK citizens can’t pass.
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HK, the wide open international city
is more receptive than Molly Bloom























