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Filipinos set to snub Hong Kong after visa threat in Manila hostage row

Threat to scrap visa-free access to Hong Kong brings a swift response on social media, with many saying they will turn their backs on city

PUBLISHED : Sunday, 10 November, 2013, 6:01am
UPDATED : Sunday, 10 November, 2013, 6:01am

Filipinos have reacted with bitterness to the decision by Hong Kong lawmakers to push for the scrapping of their visa-free trips to the city and are threatening to take their cash elsewhere.

Jim Paredes, a popular songwriter and performer, posted on Facebook: "OK Hong Kong, it's been nice knowing you. But you will miss us more than we will miss you."

And on Twitter, user @vita_bella88 said: "Dear HK, see if we care. You need us more than we need you. Thank us for your economy. Good riddance."

The comments came after Legco passed a non-binding motion last week to press the government to impose sanctions on Manila and cancel visa-free access for Filipinos.

It followed Manila's failure to meet the demands of survivors and the families of victims of the hostage crisis three years ago.

Eight Hongkongers were shot dead by sacked Manila police officer Rolando Mendoza and seven injured in the bus siege and botched rescue attempt.

Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying had previously said he would impose sanctions if the Philippines failed to apologise and give compensation. The families and survivors also want to see the officials responsible punished and tourist safety improved in the Philippine capital.

But the lawmakers' call for sanctions has been met with sadness and resentment.

"It's time to move on from our HK obsession," Mavie Ungco posted on Facebook yesterday.

A young professional, she and her husband - a chef/restaurateur - have visited Hong Kong at least twice a year since 2009.

"We go there to shop, eat and unwind," she told the Sunday Morning Post. Ungco said that every time she and her family visited "we spend a considerable amount. We stay anywhere from three to five days. We call it the Land of Everyday Shopping". But she said a visa requirement would "definitely discourage" her family from visiting.

"We like to go to Hong Kong, but if they don't want our business we'll take it elsewhere."

Gabe Mercado, a performer and training consultant, said on Facebook: "While Hong Kong has always been the favourite short haul vacation destination for Filipinos, most of us will start looking at Singapore and Bangkok more seriously, now that there is this de facto ban on us."

Mercado posted Hong Kong Tourism Board figures showing that from January to September of this year there were 517,562 visitors from the Philippines.

He noted: "Assume that 100,000 more will come and visit between now and the end of the year and you have [about] 617,000 [visitors]."

He estimated that if every Filipino visitor spent an "extremely low average" of US$200, that would come to US$123.4 million.

He warned: "Tourist income could be in danger now that Filipinos will be needing visas."

Other reactions to the proposed visa requirement have been stronger. A Filipino with the account @crustedsauce tweeted: "Why dream about Hong Kong? It is an ugly place without civilisation and culture."

And a Facebook user, Ces Clemente-Ocampo, commented: "They just cut off their nose to spite their face. We will simply take our retail dollars elsewhere."


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I think the whole thing is ridiculous. I am a foreigner living here in the Philippines and I have experienced first hand the lack of training and the disrespect of the law that the police here have. Honestly some of the worse criminals in the Philippines are the police. I actually was making a video of some of them illegally entering and taking gambling machines from places and it was because of the money. They ripped my cellphone from my hand and threatened to arrest me if I did not delete the video! This is after telling me that everything they were doing was perfectly legal which of course was not true since they had no search warrants and they were waving guns around. With that said though it is partly the responsibility of the tourist as well as their government to be educated on this and take the information they have and decide if they want to risk it. I myself have been invited by Filipino friends to go to Mindano that it is safe but the American embassy advises us not to go because of the threat of terrorism and I listen. The two governments in this situation need to stop blaming each other and figure out how to improve things so something like this can be avoided in the future. The families of the victims while they have my deepest sympathies need to accept that their relatives made a choice to travel to a country that is not the safest place in the world and they paid the price for that.
The HK government should not even be involved in this mess; this should be a battle between the lawyers and the insurance companies. The mentality of HK people is to blame everything on the government and CY took the bait this time. As a result, they've imposed a ridiculous sanction to punishes Filipino tourists and HK businesses.
It is very sad to read that in the end all only about MONEY. It is unimaginable hard for the families of the victims of that incident in Manila to cope with it, but the public discussion and what our politicians make out of it is just ridiculous. It all comes down to threatening each other with the power of shopping. That is very sad! Reducing the severity of such incident to that level of who can spend his money where does not bring back the lives of the ones killed and will is a very primitive form of coping with the aftermath. I thought that Hong Kong is more advanced than the Philippines in many aspects, but I am disappointed that our politicians ant the media here - including SCMP - is raging on street brawl level with it. If the Hong Kong government would be sovereign and in control they would not be that easy to anger by whatever the Philippine officials are doing or not.
Isnt sanction a bit too late now? this is not very diplomatic at all and why are we dragging the rest of Hong Kong into this?
What's there to miss - HK's rude and distant people? Binondo Chinatown has more and better culture and character. Hongkong people take for granted that their children are well bred, polite and safe under the Pinoys' care and watch. Pinoys are resilient - this is just a temporary inconvenience. They will find other ways - and for sure, with a SMILE! Bangon Pinoy! Bangon PILIPINAS! Mabuhay Ka!
Snub HK? You idiots think HK needs you? There are nearly 250,000 OFWs in HK, 2.5 times compare to the number OFWs in Taiwan.
If Aquino couldn't get jobs for the 80k to 90k OFWs in Taiwan had Taiwan booted them all out, what makes you think any of the 250,000 OFWs in HK would get a job back home? This is the TRUE REASON why the PH apologize to the Taiwan because 90,000 people would be out of a job and the third world country Philippines couldn't provide for them!
Second, you morons FORGET that HONG KONG and TAIWAN were Prosperous nations EVEN BEFORE all the OFWs came. Get that in your head, Hong Kong and Taiwan were, are, and still is two Prosperous nations even before all you OFWs decided to come.
We don't need you and you measly cheap tourist dollars. Tourist from the Philippines rank among the cheapest group in terms of tourist dollar spent.
Truth be told the only countries capable of absorbing ANY siginifcant amount of OFWs all belong in the Middle East and I know all you Filipinos have heard horror stories of the countless abuse, rapes, and jailing of OFWs by Middle Eastern Countries. I'm sure all these OFWs would love to go there instead of work in HK or Taiwan.
The whole thing is a sad affair that just got sadder - but CY is falling in line well with Chinese gov't, acting like a child in foreign affairs.
No economy on this planet "needs" the Philippines money. Its a small unimportant, uninteresting, poor, uneducated and irrelevant country with an arrogant attitude. Not to mention the disgusting poverty that their own government is incapable of improving much. Its about time they learned to be more humble and reasonable. They need to accept responsibility when they mess up. They are not a superpower nor should they act like it.
i think his point is no matter how much pain & suffering they endure, they should not kow tow to a greedy, bullying racists govt like HK. HK govt lives a bubble of self importance.
We will endure 100 typhoons than be bullied by the Chinese.
If you invite people into your home, you treat them as guests.If you do not treat them with respect, you should not expect to be treated as respected guests in their home either.This is a simple matter of ethics and diplomacy.If we Filipinos do not understand this, we should not call ourselves a civilized democratic people and nation.Lest we not forget, a simple apology is exactly that.A simple thing.If our democratically appointed leader cannot even muster up the courage to face accountability and apologize (without a smart-**** smirk), then expect to pay up in 1 form or another and be prepared to have our country, government, people will continue to be viewed as pathetic joke to the rest of the world.If we really want to break down the math of things, we are comparing our hundreds of millions of 'lost' tourist dollars to HK vs the lost BILLION of OFW wages to domestic helpers alone (a year).But all of that are just minor facts about money, relatively unimportant compared to life and death.So let's talk about life and respect instead.Aquino is a elected representative of our country.No respected elected official of a civilized state should have to be reminded to apologize for the loss of life of foreign tourists in his country. If he thinks an apology means "kowtow", then frankly speaking, we're not a very educated country if this is the guy we choose to represent us. I don't care about the visas, but we should not be petty.Take the highroad and say sorry.That's patriotism.
@Wiifredo.garrido - "We will endure 100 typhoons than be bullied by the Chinese."
Youve seen what destruction Yolanda did right? early reports as much as 10,000 dead and Billions in damages. Possibly more.
So... you'd rather have 99 more Yolandas happen in our country (1,000,000 dead and 100 billion pesos damage)... rather than a short " I.AM.SORRY. " from the President??
way to go, Pinoy Pride!!!!!
The Filipinos quoted have an inflated sense of themselves. Hong Kong doesn't need them; they obviously need Hong Kong if they keep coming so many times. Banned from coming? Hardly; visas are usually just rubber-stamp procedures.
It is sad to know that the HK Legislature has shown its displeasure in having Filipinos visit Hong Kong visa-free as was the case before. This will be catastrophic for tourism in the region as a whole and I would urge both the SAR and Mainland Governments to resolve this issue with the Philippines as soon as possible to foster neighbourliness and cooperation in the Asian continent.
I demand the HK Chinese government to finalize the sanctions and publish worldwide, as if we care. In "meow" or Cantonese tone, "kwik, kwik la"! HK is just a small Chinese city with nothing special in this century seriously. Oh wait, on behalf of her majesty and the british empire, I demand apologies for the british pilot stabbed in HK. And what's going on with the Lamma Island ferry tragedy??? how about the HK Chinese died in the ferry tragedy in Thailand, did u ask the kingdom of Thailand for apology to the little crying city of HK???
CY is only trying pathetically to gain back his plummeting popularity particularly after the license TV fiasco. I don't think he cares a bit for the victims and families.
Hehe, you are funny. You are just another reason why the world thinks of us Filipinos as slaves...and why white people definitely impose visas for our kind. Way to show your idiocy you fool...Pinoy pride brother.
Hong Kong is already overrun with Chinese Mainlanders...
they Need Filipino money like they need more pollution
while it is sad that if the HK government will show its wrath to the people of the philippines instead of the people who committed the blunder in the philippine government, HK will clearly be the loser here, even if they dont need the money filipinos bring in to HK, its still a loss to them. what they should do instead is to ban filipino workers much like what taiwan did, to pressure the philippine government to do what is right.
Oh, yes, dcuniverse. Better be dead than kowtow to a foreign power.
why should i visit hongkong? no typhoon,no eartquake,no rebellion,no boracay, no isla puting bato,nothing, what a boring place,
Eat Dirt Drink Mud and Die
Filipinos kills defenseless Chinese, it's about time China, Hong Kong, Taiwan and other countries punish these heartless people for the murders of innocent people. An apologize and compensation to the family is nothing compared to the suffering of the families that lost their loved ones. Filipinos won't apologize because they are not capable of feeling pain and suffering of victims of crime. To the Filipino (if you are still alive after Typhoon Haiyan ) that rather have Typhoon than apologize, don't worry, it will happen. God will wash you people away and make Asia safe for all Asians.
HK Chinese = small-eyed clown, every time they cry, they're like spanked puppets. before u cry to the earth, try to cry first in your own world or to xi jinping, we'll see if u can still squat and **** on the next day. HAHA.
Archipelago... we are not created equally. I guess you should read more history books.
No one in this world deserve to be slaves but the fact is.... stronger of a country, lesser the chance people will think or treat you as a slave.
Is our country - Philippines considered as a strong country?
Why are there so many TNTs if everyone is so proud of their country?
Same as religious country, why only Philippines has the problem of exploding population?
Why Philippines changed from number 1 rice exporting to number 1 rice importing country in the world?
THINK THINK THINK and ask WHY WHY WHY before you criticize.
Personally, I totally against the idea of sanctions towards tourist or anything that will harm the relationships between normal citizens of Hong Kong people and Filipino.
I doubt many people who had posted "extreme comments" here don't even know what had happened that day. Youtube and watch how the professionals comment on the issue.
Was it only the killer who is at fault?
Can the entire tragedy be prevented?
Can more lives be saved?
Has the police force done a job that can be described as "best effort"?
Was there any improvement in the police force three years after the tragedy?
Who is eventually responsible to all government departments, the Filipino citizens (including the killer) and all the foreigners who live / tour in the Philippines?
As parents, can you say..."It's not a family tradition to apologize on behalf of my problem kid!"?
You don't need to get a visa if only stopping over. (i.e. hub/transit as you say)
It has been 3 years in the making. Sanctions didn't happen just over night, nor have they even started yet. Our "leader" has had a long time to do the right thing. Aquino is the one that involved us, not HK IMHO.
We claim that the Philippines is a dangerous place with dangerous people, and that travelers should know and accept the risk. If our people are so dangerous that they murder tourists with automatic rifles and smuggle drugs into HK thru the airport luggage (and get caught on a regular basis), then a visa system would surely make sense.
We can still goto HK, we just require a visa, which is simple. If we travel to China, a visa is also required. So what?
We should all ask Aquino: Why are you so stubborn and why does an apology, in your mind, a sign of weakness? Refusing what is ethically and morally correct is not a sign of weakness. It is a sign of immaturity - something that the opposition have said about Aquino.
I am proud to be Filipino. I'm just ashamed that we have an incompetent leader and also ashamed that most of Filipino commenters here are do not show any class.
To the rest of the world: We're not all stupid and ignorant and arrogant. It's just that those that are are usually the loudest in our culture.
While there can be no doubt that those responsible for law enforcement and security in Manila badly screwed up in the hostage incident, I don't think it's fair to punish ordinary Filipinos for that by making them apply for visas. Filipinos have to suffer enough already from the incompetence and corruption of their own government officials and don't need things made even worse for them by Hong Kong.
Although Hong Kong may justifiably be entitled to an apology and compensation for the hijacking incident they should direct their anger at the right people. A lot of the corrupt money acquired by those incompetent officials in the Philippines finds it's way out of the country through the banking system in Hong Kong. If Hong Kong really wants to retaliate for what happened maybe they should look at ways they can help prevent these ill-gotten gains from leaving the Philippines via Hong Kong. At least that would be targeting the sort of people whose leadership failure resulted in those Hong Kong people losing their lives.
actually contrary to popular belief to some arrogant hong kong people, there are actually very rich Filipinos (those 700,000 people you want to ban in your precious province) and who can afford to travel abroad and liked Hong Kong for spending leisure and such. they are not there to clean your toilets but really like spending their money in Hong Kong]!!LOL! and these Filipinos actually don't take their smelly **** in the middle of the road or expensive stores or let their children urinate in the middle of a crowded road in Hong Kong(give this credit to HK"s very precious tourists the Mainlanders!lloL!). so meh... these people can afford to go to other countries to do some spending.LOL!
Even assuming that Filipinos still choose to go to HK aren't they just adding more work to the HK immigration, more paper work to process the visa application?
Unless they are the maids, Filipinos do not matter to Hong Kong at all.
I wouldn't go back to Hong Kong if you paid me by the second!!! What a toilet place!!! It's so expensive there, with smelly, disgusting restaurants serving terrible food, choking traffic with resulting air pollution, & few speak English. Much better going to Bangkok or Singapore...
i am just so glad that the philippines continue to elect corrupt and incompetent leaders year after year., from marcos to erap to arroyo and now aquino. Imagine if they actually get their act together and improve themselves....where are we going to get our slave labor in hk? The maids, drivers, hookers and gardeners who are here are all so good and dirt cheap. Why would we want aquino to be a good president? He cant even if he wants to...he is just so incompetent.......
I say, keep electing and appointing idiots to run your country.....we need your slave labor in HK and spore forever more!
Also, no one in hk wants to donate to haiyan bec we know the money will end up in some senator's pockets. The country is a basket case for 40 years bec the people have no shame and self-respect.
Lets hope they remain the same for another 40.
hey allan94, i guess you lost the last barangay election, you sound like a defeated candidate who claim he was cheated,
lol u r right! i do sound like a defeated candidate. the thing is, as we all know, if u r a genuine clean candidate, u can never win an election in PI. also, u can never win in life in PI. Why do u think the filipinos are world champs in lying and cheating. the negative culture is so endemic its scary. it didnt used to be like that....in the 50s and 60s, filipinos were the envy of asia. Their culture, democracy, economy was super. Now in 2013, they are literally the **** of asia.
inflated ? you got us wrong aesthelwulf ! we are a proud people, proud of our heritage and culture, no amount of typhoon,earthquake,rebellion,tsunami,can stop us in our pursuit to improve ourselves and our country,
Are they closing Hongkong Disneyland for good..
oh my dear
everyone is a slave in this world, even the president or king
obama is a slave of the American people, he needs to work or do his duty
the queen of England as well
don't think too of being inferior, we're created equal in this world and slavery is just in different forms
im proud of being a Filipino and im proud that im working hard but I never thought that im a slave
please don't single out the "white" people and I hope you know why other countries require a visa for entry... SMILES my dear
oh my dear
where are yah? read books? as in books?
a well educated and exposed person will never put down other race, seriously
TNTs? I hope you're not one of them
seriously, it's your choice or their choice to be TNT
not only phils has prob in population and other areas, there's no such perfect society
oh my dear, why I will think the problems that make you hysterical HAHA I rather make things that my country will make proud of me just like the recognition perhaps I got from china and Poland...
wish you are OK and smile :-)
keep reading BOOKS?
To answer your question, no, you cannot say "It's not a family tradition to apologize on behalf of my problem kid!" You should, because those children are your responsibility. In this case, your citizens and lawmen are your responsibility. If we open our doors to tourism, we must abide by these common sense rules. If these were Americans, we'd be on our knees begging for forgiveness in humiliation.
All Mendoza wanted was his job back. Give him his job back. Then throw him in prison for breaking the law of taking hostages. Sorry, you have a criminal record, so even after you get out, you cannot work for law enforcement.
Noynoy does not want an inquiry into the whole ordeal. Nobody wants to find out all the dirty details of why he was dismissed in 2009 for extortion. It's humiliating and even more so if publicized on an International stage. The truth is, the whole of Philippines is corrupt. All the parties involved including the police, Noynoy and Lim are corrupt and this is simply a cover-up gone wrong. These idiot Filipinos give the rest of us a bad name and I'm ashamed of them. One cannot help but to ask, was 2013 and Yolanda in particular a message from God? You be the judge. All I know is it's hard for others to feel sorry for you if you constantly disrespect them for no reason.
broaden your horizons my dear
don't put yourself to shame, you just can't defend and be proud of your country
i guess that's shameful WiNK
You should be the one to broaden your horizon my dear.
You can be proud as a Filipino, but are you really proud of your government.
Face the ugly FACTS and don't pretend it never exist.
Super typhoon has just passed. Where are the government aids?
Are those aids really went to the typhoon victims or went to the personal bank accounts of politicians?
Why spend millions buying 2nd hand battleships but not to improve infrastructures to create more job opportunities and better living for the nation?
oh dear
stop complaining
do your part
and make the ugly facts as your strength
im proud of my recognitions from china and Poland as a Filipino
there are lots of jobs and opportunities my dear in our country, I got 3 jobs in a year in our country... STOP COMPLAINING, do your part WiNK SMiLeS
its on how you strive
I didnt know HK would also follow China strategic ways (e.g. sanctions, economic pressure) to get its demand.
I do think that the police incompetence/stupidity was the reason those tourist died and the request for apology and compensation is waranted.
But HK should not use tactics that would affect tourist/ordinary citizen from Phil or even other countries. Or maybe HK wants to get visa fee so indirectly, getting compesation as well.
The above article is also not conclusive and just an opinion of few. For those who often go to Hk for business, leisure, use it to as hub or transit to other countries, etc. will be the one affected of the inconvenience.
i meant was when transit or going for other destination, you can spend a day or two in HK. or even the same day, one can go out to do some shopping, meeting, etc then go elsewhere. i have done this many times so getting visa to HK means time consuming and money.
Like i say, i do not think it HK should come to these. An apology and compensation is reasonable request, be it done behind closed doors, doesnt matter.
It is not about a sign of weakness. It is about being responsible. Let say a visitor goes to your house, and you let them in. Let say your maid/driver/pets, etc. for unknown reason hurt your guest. As an owner, you still have to sort it out.
Both HK and Philippines benefits from each other. Those who says otherwise are just ignorant and narrow minded.
I think the President owes all the Filipino citizens an apology before he should consider apologizing to relatives of the bus victims. I am pretty sure there are sufficient funding for training and equipment of the SWAT team of the PNP. I wonder where the money has gone and resulting in an "international joke" broadcast worldwide?
By the way... above comments are not for those who think the SWAT had done a good job. Need not to comment if you are thinking that way.
Banning tourist isn't going to hurt either side much. HK can replace the tourist $$ and likewise, the Ph tourist can go to Bangkok or Singapore with their money. PAL will not go bust, at best some reduction in the profit margin. If HK politician is really serious about forcing the issue, they should follow Taiwan's example and ban all new visa for OFW and ban renewal of existing visa. Only than will the Ph government apologise. There again, how many members of HK Exco don't have a Philipino maid working for them?? Any of them openly declare they will not renew their maid's contract?? Talk is cheap.
The problem is that the Aquino govt. is so stubborn and arrogant that they even would sacrifice the innocent and hardworking Filipinos who leave home to earn the decent dollar to be sent home. Now their citizens working overseas especially Hong Kong has to be the butt of ridicule and mental abuse.
You are an enlightened gentleman and well written. Grace,hard to find these days.
try to bubble or cry first in your own world or to Xi Jinping before u bubble to the earth, Chinese = small-eyed clown
Chinese stud flood HK univs? OF COURSE, HK is a small city of china, people there are called Chinese. Who do u expect to study???
nice bubble you live in. You should get out once in a while
Some concerned countries like US, UAE and UK are working on helping the Philippines in response to what the dreadful typhoon Haiyan has left the country while Hong Kong is still busy working on the sanctions which they can't wait to impose. Come on!
Philippines' politicians/leaders have lots of things piled up to do to cater to its people who lost not just 8 lives but thousands. Not saying that we just ignore the 2010 HK Chinese killing or abandon the issue, no. No one was happy about their death and we were actually saddened by it and hoping that this gets resolved but in a rational way.
Just saying, back off a little and don't make it seem like the death of your people was the entire country's fault for you to create this egotistical unnecessary war and to affect each and every Filipino's lives.
Still hoping that this issue gets settled. Let's not make decisions out of anger….
HK is nothing special? And Philipines is? I've lived in HK over 6 years, have been to most places in Asia several times, but ZERO times to PHIL and ZERO interest to do so.
You are so shallow!
I don't think the relatives of the victims are asking for "I am sorry" from the president.
I think they will be more relieved to hear "promises" from the president to improve the quality of the police force and really make Philippines a safe country to visit.
At this point, I hope the President can really do something to help his nation and his people after the super typhoon.
Filipinos are survivors, very resilient and very tough. I don't think Hong kongers can survive 30 strong violent typhoons coming to their territory year after year like the Philippines will always do since time immemorial. those people can survive deadly typhoons--- what more a questionable political and racists sanctions against ALL of them.
I find interesting reading infos that Filipino Chinese (ethnic pure Chinese born and raise in the Philippines who are quite well to do and like spending vacations in HK also ) felt discriminated by Hong Kong people when they go there in HK.... so the only people that HK people don't hate are themselves.;)
Nice avatar :)
CY Leung - and his LegCo acolytes - must be even more stupid that I thought (hard) to play this game. If the Philippines turns round and annuls Cathay Pacific's air traffic rights Hong Kong's flag carrier will lose approximately 10% of its passengers and somewhat more of its revenue. In short it will become unprofitable. And journeys from Hong Kong to Australia/New Zealand will add approximately 10% in journey time (due to loss of overflight rights) meaning that passengers will switch to Qantas and other airline on that route. Super. The lunatics have taken over the asylum.
The **** does not represent the whole Philippines. He just happens to be a Filipino. Do not speak as if you are a first class citizen and a saint because you are not. Also, you do not wish people of tragedy, innocent or not.
Obviously, the article is trying to add fuel to the fire. More than 100k Filipinos working in HK and how many people/family are they supporting?? Vice versa, how many HK families are employing Filipinos to do work for them. I think the comments are those who rarely go to HK or affected by it.
actually this was a mistake of no one, it's a very sad incident in which Phl & Hk don't want & don't need. Phl prez really don't need to apologize directly, thru informal channels he can convey his condolence. i hope Hk will understand & accept. it's official protocol other nations are doing that too so why single out Phl. let us all be civil & as citizens of this world we need to cooperate especially being good neighbors for so long. Phl & Hk has no spat ever since, let's do it for both our nation's sake
This is only step 2. Banning OFWs is step 3. Use your brain.
we are using our brain jihm, that is why we are not going to that place, no earthquake, no typhoon, no rebellion, no islang puting bato, no boracay, no shooting the rapids, Disneyland is not their own,,,nothing,,,what a boring place,
TO HELL WITH HONGKONG!!! HK politicians trying to cash in on the issue for the next election? SHAME on YOU!!! WINDBAGS!!!!
A good survivor is to prevent damage or minimize damage during disasters.
Good survivors are always prepared when disasters strike.
What did you do or where were you when the super typhoon hit?
What did you do after you found out the damages done by the typhoon?
Oh look, someone who can't even write in English on an English forum. Typical Pinoy way, can't choose 1 language and stick to it.
aethelwulf, we might not be as good as you think you are, but we stood up to people of your kind, don't make this thing your personal crusade, because we can do better than you think you can,
It's all politics.... I pity Hong Kong!
Because HKers want this to happen?


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