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Picture of boy urinating in Vancouver bin sparks anti-China vitriol

'Mainland Chinese' blamed after photos of young child's act in a Vancouver mall go viral on web

PUBLISHED : Friday, 30 August, 2013, 1:31pm
UPDATED : Saturday, 31 August, 2013, 10:58am

Photos of a small boy urinating into a rubbish bin in an upmarket Canadian shopping mall have sparked a debate about standards of behaviour in the Vancouver satellite city of Richmond, North America's most Chinese municipality.

Photos of the Asian boy with his pants around his knees at the Richmond Centre mall, steadied by a woman as he stands on the rim of the bin, provoked a fierce reaction after they were posted by Twitter user Brandon Beavis. The vehement response mirrors that which followed an incident in Hong Kong last month, when a Putonghua-speaking girl urinated on an MTR train.

This kind of undignified behaviour is common amongst Mainlanders
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The images of the boy, aged about two or three, went viral this week and were the subject of a report on the main CBC news bulletin on Thursday night.

Internet reaction focused on the ethnicity of the child and woman - and varied according to the proclaimed ethnicity of some respondents. Some said such behaviour was typical of "Asians" or "Chinese", but the fiercest reaction came from people who identified themselves as Hongkongers or Canadian Chinese, and said they were certain the pair in the photo were mainland Chinese. There was nothing in the photos to prove this.

The responses reflect changes in the demography of Vancouver and its satellite city of Richmond, which have seen waves of Chinese migration, first from Hong Kong in the 1980s and 1990s, followed by even greater numbers of mainlanders in recent years. Richmond is now about 50 per cent Chinese by ethnicity.

"That is not how normal civilised people behave, and it is inexcusable," wrote SkinnyPupp, whose profile on the Revscene website - a car modification site popular with young Vancouver Asians - listed his hometown as Hong Kong. "This is not a 3rd world country", wrote another Revscene user.

A posting on the Vancitybuzz news website prompted "Embarrassed Chinese-Canadian" to suggest that the ethnicity of the Richmond Centre pair was obvious. "Why not go one step further and say Mainland Chinese," the user wrote.

"This kind of undignified behaviour is common amongst Mainlanders in Hong Kong. I can't have a conversation with my cousin in Hong Kong without him telling me at least once how much the Mainlanders are mucking up the city," wrote Canucks Star, a member of a fan forum for the Vancouver Canucks ice hockey team.

Some users unfamiliar with discontent over the supposed behaviour of mainlanders in Hong Kong were confused by the ferocity of the reaction.

The CBC report noted that going "diaper free" had long been practised in China and a veteran foreign correspondent said "manners … and the standard of toilets" in rural China were "very different" to those in Canada.

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layleng
baishui is a mainland chogue who rants on about colonialism because a Brit kid once pushed him to the ground and made him cry when he was trying to buy ice cream. Since then he talks to himself fantasizing about what he would do and how he would use tai chi to wreak revenge given the chance. Instead he attributes any anti-mainland comment as colonialism. baishui was probably brought up during the Cultural Revolution and thinks nothing of wiping his behind with his hand when he runs of paper. **** Mainland chogue.
jmscscmp
The mother should carry a pee-pee jar in case of emergency.
johnh
It's funny how people are trying to make excuses for this behavior using these long winded arguments about colonialism and superiority complexes. It's simple, Mainlanders are defecating in the streets of Hong Kong, leaving their **** everywhere. And now it's affecting Canada. They won't stop if you ask them nicely, trust me. It's time to be tough about it, without resorting to violence. I'd definitely be in favor of fines.
pseudotriton
I don't think anyone is trying to excuse the behavior. Some are just saying that this is a non-issue that got blown way out of proportion by those with ulterior motives. And some like me also have problem with the kind of generalization like you just made there. Such over simplification and generalization are the preferred tactics of bigots.
bolshoi
@pseudotriton
Hongkongers' behaviour demonstrates a typical colonial mentality. They try to compensate their deep-rooted inferiority with a perverse superiority at every chance they get. You would be wasting your precious time arguing with these petty people. :)
Dai Muff
"Hongkongers' behaviour demonstrates a typical colonial mentality." Ah, that must be why the Shanghainese are just as outraged by kids peeing on the MTR there, and Guangzhou citizens are outraged by images of a boy taking a dump on the MTR there. There's also widely circulated footage from Shenzhen of a woman taking a dump in a metro elevator. All of which have caused big internet controversies there in the past couple of months. Don't try to make this about race or "colonialism" when it is about incontinence, lousy parenting, and lack of culture and concern for others. I am sorry but the "Why shouldn't you deal with my cr*p?" attitude sadly doesn't stop with them being kids. Your racist obsession just shows the chip on YOUR shoulder.
johnh
When I walk into a building or an alley and I see **** lying there with TP thrown on top, it's not a "non-issue".
And by the way, if you are Chinese, don't you see how embarrassing this is for us? The reason it may seem that HKers have a superiority complex, is because HKers, & Taiwanese for that matter, have already evolved long ago. While in Mainland China, due to the cultural destruction wrought by the Communist Party, uncivilized behavior like this is still commonly practiced.
scmpgt
Diapers cost too much money for mainland Chinese to afford. This needs to be subsidized by the mainland government and be offered at a 95% discount nationally.
mercedes2233
Along with no smoking signs, there should be 'no urinating in public places' signs (in multi-languages?) with stiff penalties. That should fix the problem. There is little result with just expressing outrage on the Internet.
jenniepc
Response to aplucky on 1 Aug 31st 2013
4:07pm
you should read my article carefully before you get your mental excitement and make a loud noise and a repulsive comment. So, please act like a human being and be responsible as well as in a professional manner. What my argument is One can not be judged based on his appearance. As long as the boy is a Canadian citizen, then, he is a Canadian. I am a Taiwanese originally, yes, I am still a Taiwanese. My husband is an American born Chinese. I do not think he is a Chinese person per se. Again, If I had sworn in as a U.S. citizen, then, I will not consider that I am a Taiwanese.
The problems here is that the Hongkongers themselves, If I am not mistaken that Canadan-Chinese who probably also from Hong Kong, feel arrogantly superior, just like the Indians, as if being the old British colonizers little poodles somehow elevates them above other more genuine Asians.
pogo123321
jenniepc:
You're being absolutely ignorant on this issue and you underestimated the influence of culture. This problem has nothing to do with one's race or citizenship, it's about the CULTURE that you're rooted in. You also have no proof of that boy being Canadian-Chinese or just Chinese and it simply doesn't matter on this issue. We've seen lot more Mainlanders doing such bizarre behaviour in HK and it shows the pattern. It's no wonder we associated Mainlanders with this because it gives us idea that this is what they would do.
Sadly you're on a high horse and insulted us and the Indians even though it's not related to the issue. And by judging I could only tell how superficial you are. So please grow up mentally because this problem is more than that little racist mind you have in your head.
ssslmcs01
I agree that a person born as a Canadian/American or who swears in as one is just that, a Canadian or American. As has been said countless times in both Canada and the U.S. there is not need to use an adjective to describe what kind of Canadian or American you are, example Chinese-American. In fact China does not recognize more than one nationality so a Chinese citizen who aquires another nationality automatically loses her/his Chinese nationality.
I don't agree with the comments about Hongkongers thinking we are superior to the Chinese; on the contrary many of the Chinese visitors who come here think they are king sh*t. Hongkongers are only looking out for Hong Kong.
bolshoi
@ssslmcs01
Sheer nonsense.
Dai Muff
This is not about race. It is about culture. Or the lack of it.
oxymoron19
Since you have mentioned that of a superior race, may I remind you that there is a major difference those that have just landed and those that were raised abroad. Now start using deductive reasoning............
pseudotriton
ssslmcs01, oxymoron9, etc., stop looking for ways to subdivide people. There is only one race: we are all the human race. And humans are diverse. No group of people are uniform. Not all mainland Chinese behave the same way, just like not all Americans are gun-toting mass shooters. So quite trying to generalize and subdivide. Those are the tactics of a racist.
ssslmcs01
pseudotriton
I agree with you we are one human race. And I'm not tryng to subdivide people at all. A lot of people from China, not all, impose their ideals and values on us. I studied with many students from China at local Hong Kong universities, and found many of the mainland students are not willing to listen to criticism of anything to do with China, many, not all take it personally. The difference in mentality is very great. Students in China are taught to think as a group whereas students in Hong Kong are taught to think as individuals. There are bound to be clashes of ideologies.
bolshoi
@ssslmcs01
"Students in China are taught to think as a group whereas students in Hong Kong are taught to think as individuals."
How laughable your statement is... If Hongkongers (including the students) had just a bit more critical thinking skills (or if they could think a bit more as individuals), Hong Kong wouldn't be a sorrowful place as it is now. From my personal observation, and many may agree, mainland students outperform HK students in every respect.
ssslmcs01
I've lived and worked on both sides of the border. I've studied with "mainlanders" at two universities in Hong Kong. Our Chinese classmates have not only given the strong impression of thinking as a group but have also told us in classes that they are more or less told what to think instead of being critical.
If Hong Kong is such a sorrowful place then why do they want to keep coming here? Who has been the hand that fed the economy in Guangdong and beyond? Get a life white water.
oxymoron19
@ pseudotriton
The thought of achieving utopia is commendable but futile. A mere wishful thinking of an unrealistic optimist. People have been divided since the beginning of civilization. What you call racist I call social hierarchy. Sounding politically incorrect does set apart from the notion of hypocrisy. No pun intended.
pseudotriton
That's like saying there will always be criminals committing crimes no matter what, so we should just do away with all the efforts trying to stop them. And "social hierarchy"? You mean like the cast system of India, or like how the Nazis considered their own "race" superior, especially to the Jews?
oxymoron19
LOL this never gets old. With all the hustle and bustle in this cutthroat city of miserable workaholics and defeated opportunists, there must exist an iconic scapegoat for us to vent and point fingers at. What's better than to do another article on "Mainlander bashing" spree ? SCMP is epic knowing what their readers need. I guess it makes us sleep better at night knowing we are a superior race, ironically speaking that there is still a remnant trace of colonial blood running in our veins that cleverly dictates our motor functions where we urinate or defecate.
ssslmcs01
Mainland bashing???
How many mainlanders bash our ideology? Or our right to express ourselves?
People in Hong Kong are thankful to live in a society that largely respects rule of law. We are also thankful to have the right to express ourselves.
tsangwl@gmail.com
It is disgusting to see that again in the news, but it seems not to confine to the Chinese. Elevators in the New York subway and Chicago subway stink of urine at times, which is not good for the disabled who must use the elevators; I once saw an American guy picking an empty plastic bottle from a bin and having a pee in the subway. Surprisingly, there has not been news about that.
Dai Muff
Hong Kong's taxi drivers do this every day. But they do not do it in front of everyone.
bolshoi
@Clark K
Sounds like you're a HK cabbie yourself. Well done! :)
mercedes2233
Yes, agree. There are areas in the cities of very many western countries which smells of urine. Maybe those drunks and the homeless are less photogenic, and maybe the mainland Chinese children of presumably wealthy parents are a novel and soft target.
But it is a disgusting habit. Maybe the toilet signs in that upmarket shopping centre might be made more obvious and multi-cultural? Maybe severe on-the-spot fines for the parents might bring the message across that behavior is not acceptable.
CatInAFlap
It's a toddler having a pee FFS. Get a grip. Much more serious stuff going on, at least he was **** in the bin.
mistergreggreen
A responsible parent would head to the nearest washroom.
ssslmcs01
Cat,
As was mentioned by Bossy this isn't the toddler, it is the parent, grandparent or guardian. Don't try to justify atrocious behavior. What is wrong with the toilet/washroom? Or to quote Bossy again a diaper. If there were more people with your attitude just think about how poor public hygiene would be.
Dai Muff
The problem is rarely the toddlers. It's their parents. Diapers were invented for a reason.
likingming
HKers, don't employ the no-child strategy, deliver more births, have more children please !
pseudotriton
Are you gonna pay for all those kids' upbringing?
Dai Muff
Well we're paying for the mainlanders' kids.
pseudotriton
What do these have to do with the current story anyway? The article is about things in a Canadian town. Why change the topic?
jenniepc
Article clearly stated that the boy's, in the photo, identity can not be verified. Why Hongkongers or Canadian Chinese vehemently claimed that the pair in the photo were mainland Chinese?! If the river is polluted, it does not give anyone dumping rubbish. Besides, the boy can be a Canadian. One can not be judged based on his appearance. As long as the boy is a Canadian citizen, then, he is a Canadian.
Jennie PC Chiang/江佩珍 08/31/13 美國
aplucky1
care to put your money where that big fat mouth of yours is ?
did not think so
feel very sorry for your wife-yes i know u r a woman
chaz_hen
Well at least she didn't drag America into this written diarrhea as she usually does to make up for her self loathing...
aplucky1
put
VicSexton
Brandon Beavis. Huh-huh-huh-huh. Huh-huh.
Dai Muff
Do a Google search on "Child Pees in Shanghai Subway, Father Argues with Angry Crowd". You will discover that it is not only non-Chinese who find this behaviour uncivilised.
ssslmcs01
It should be noted that many Shanghai people also don't like the wai sheng ren flooding there city. Some of my classmates at H.K. Poly U are Shanghai people and they told me that they don't like them coming to Shanghai anymore than Hong Kong people like them coming to Hong Kong.
bolshoi
@ssslmcs01
These Shanghainese are just as small-minded as some Hongkongers like yourself. Not only do great minds think alike, petty ones too. :)
pseudotriton
So what you're saying is that Hong Kong people are really not that different from mainland Chinese after all.
wilfredo.garrido
On the other hand, why are you Canadians, British and French falling all over yourselves attracting Chinese tourists? At least, we in PH aren't hypocritical - the Chinese boycott our tourism, we shrug. You take their money, smile and be hospitable.
mercedes2233
Yes, you may shrug, but you then rush to HK to work as maids.
pseudotriton
What you talking about? Mainland Chinese are currently the largest group of tourists visiting the Philippines, ever since HK put up the travel alert after the Philippine gov't grossly mishandled the hostage incident. I personally don't see what the appeal of that third world island country is, but apparently many Chinese do, and continue sending you their money. So quit whining already.
Dai Muff
People take my money when I travel too. I still consider it is only civilised to follow THEIR culture when I am in THEIR home.
batwong
Most Chinese tourists are nouveau riches. They have not had the luxury of going to private schools and learn etiquettes. However, since they benefit HK's economy significantly, I am happy to put up with their shortcomings. I hope Hongkongers should put up and shutup.
ssslmcs01
Would you mind explaining how the mainlanders have benefited Hong Kong's economy significantly?
Causing inflation that has made it nearly impossible for the majority of Hong Kong people to purchase a flat, in fact inflating the price of nearly everything in Hong Kong. And, causing a shortage of commodities such as infant milk formula.
As a resident of North District I have to put up with the visitors from the mainland on a daily basis. It is easy for a person living far away from the problem to say they are "happy to put up with their shortcomings" when they don't have to deal with them (the shortcomings).
There are two possibilities, you are among the one percent (the richest Hongkongers) or you have no clue what you are talking about.
In response to "batwong": Are you comparing tourism to hoarding goods? People who spend a wee in Canada or France are likely staying in a hotel and going sightseeing. Spending money on meals shopping etc. That can't be compared to the nuisance parallel traders cause clogging up the streets and trains in N. District.
batwong
I am sorry to hear as a resident of N District you have to put up with those dreadful mainland visitors on a daily basis. Must be tough. However, if mainland visitors do not contribute to our economy, why then , as one blogger commented, do countries such as Canada, Britain, France ( among others ) fall over themselves to attract Chinese tourists ? Ah, I get it. The governments of all those countries don't have a clue either.
mistergreggreen
@batwong
Compare apples with apples. A week in France can't be compared to 10000 people flooding N. District every hour of the day and returning to SZ within an hour or two.
ssslmcs01
There is a big diference between people spending a week in Canada, hotel, transportation, meals etc. and people visiting N. District for an hour to buy cart loads of infant milk formula and clog up our sidewalks and PASSENGER trains with freight.
ssslmcs01
There is a big difference between people traveling to a country to go sightseeing, stay in hotels and buy meals which is what they do when they go to those overseas countries. Even then citizens in those countries complain about inflation when lare sums of money flow into the real estate market casing inflation. Especially when some portion of the money came from quetionable sources.
The people who come over to N. District buy a few commodities such as infant milk formula or rice. Because they buy it for resdistribution on the other side of the border they will buy the entire supply in every shop in N. District. Then there is the careless behavior of these individuals pushing large carts blindly down the crowded streets of N. District with no regard for the other pedestrians whatsoever. Don't forget how they transport their frieght back to SZ, on a passenger train.
And as I mentioned before, the people who have invested money, much/some of which came from questionable sources has inflated the pric of real estate in Hong Kong and pushed up the price of everything else with it. Have you been out for a meal at Tai Fai Wu lately? The menu prices for lunch and dinner have gone up by 30% in recent months.
batwong
I am sorry to hear that as a resident of N District you have to put up with those dreadful mainland visitors on a daily basis. Must be tough. However, if the mainland visitors do not contribute to HK's economy, why then , as one blogger commented, do countries such as Canada, Britain, France ( among others ) fall over themselves to attract Chinese tourists ? Ah, I get it. All those governments don't have a clue either.
wilfredo.garrido
That is why we do not want Chinese tourists in our country, PH. They see our beautiful islands, blues skies, waters teeming with fish, and they think we are a province of China. Worse, others intrude into our territory outright and destroy our corals and steal endangered species.
mercedes2233
So Filipinos don't want Chinese people in your country. So why are so many of you anxious to come and settle in HK and work for Chinese families?
docomo
That is why we do not want whites in our country, China. They see our beautiful islands, blues skies, waters teeming with fish, and they think we should be part of their territory. Worse, others intrude into our territory outright and raid our museums and kill our people. - Chinese citizen, Guangdong, 1897
Dai Muff
He's from the Philippines so probably hardly white. And if you got blue skies and waters teeming with fish, it could only be 1897.
wilfredo.garrido
Interesting, Docomo. Is this a real quotation from a Guangdong citizen, circa 1897? If so, how far China has fallen, no blue skies, no waters teeming with fish.
Stephan
What do you mean beautiful islands etc...Ever heard about the pollution, the violation of human rights etc. etc. which China is infamous for? Think twice before you post a silly comment like this!
Dai Muff
The same thing happened in Shanghai on the metro recently and the Shanghainese were as disgusted by it as Hong Kongers or Canadians. Stop being lame and self-serving and saying it's about race. It's about being socialised.
pseudotriton
Isn't it interesting that comments from some of the real Canadians actually try to put things into a little perspective, mentioning the differences in practices in China, etc., whereas comments from HKer's are basically lopsided condemnations? For one thing, do you think Caucasians can tell or even care about the difference between HKer's and mainlanders? They can't even tell Japanese from Chinese for Pete's sake. You're all just "Asians" to them. And like some have pointed out, such indecent behavior are carried out by grown men (and women, as I have personally witnessed) of all ethnicity and nationality all the time. But it's always the HKer's who want to make a mountain out of a molehill when it involves some mainlander (kids). You never hear a peep from HKer's when a wasted Frenchman is pi$$ing all over the place outside a bar. Get over yourselves, "HK people".
bolshoi
@pseudotriton
Well said.
johnh
"do you think Caucasians can tell or even care about the difference between HKer's and mainlanders"
Why else do you think it ****es everyone off? (No pun intended)
ssslmcs01
Most whites can tell the difference between Hongkongers and Chinese by their hairstyle. Even the rich Chinese more often than not opt for the buzz cut rather than styling their hair. And of course the language difference.
pseudotriton
So shouldn't you be scolding the whities for not bothering the tell them apart then? Especially if you feel that HKer's are so different from mainland Chinese.
johnh
Believe me, if whites were urinating and defecating in the streets of HK, I would definitely scold them.
pseudotriton
That's not what I asked at all. I guess all you know is to evade and deflect the question.
raju.charles.7
Parents throw kids dirty diaper in the bin all over the world! Please forget and forgive for the innocent mistake. I saw one man peeing in Niagara falls state park garden.when i questioned him he was angry,he said urine is good for the plants!Holy cow!!
chanaa
another day, another scmp anti mainland ****.
aplucky1
did you take the short bus?
ssslmcs01
Is there any lies or exageration? If the Chinese who go abraod paid more attention it would be better for all Chinese and for the places they visit beginning with Hong Kong.
shuike
You should've seen the vitriol the Canucks rolled for the HK immigrants in the 1980s at their habits. Should'nt call the kettle black.
johnh
And the current year is?...
ssslmcs01
Firstly, Richmond is a Canadian municipality, not Chinese. Lets not make any mistake about that.
Secondly, the Hongkongers who immigrated to Canada in the 1980s weren't Chinese but Hong Kong people. The vast majority of Hongkongers gained Chinese nationality on 1 July 1997 whether they wanted it or not.
And finally most would agree that the Chinese certainly have carved out a bad reputation for themselves that most Hongkongers don't want to be associated with.
daily
There is no question about it..........only mainlanders do these type of things..........if the Canadians don't like this type of stuff, shouldn't let so much mainlanders immigrate into their country.
Simple as that............
Shadow
my great people of great place always have great living habbits
jaan
Okay I read the balance of reactions mentioned in the article, but don't you think it's a bit sensationalist to headline the article "...anti-China vitriol flows"?
HiggsSinglet
Must be a mainlander, very typical of what they do!!!
shuike
Must be a British Asian from the slums of London.
lizapak
Poor old men ravaging in bins for food... and look what they'll find!
chaz_hen
What's everyone so stressed aboot? Hongcouver is practically a Chinese city anyway...
likingming
The boy is a lovely Belgium boy.
 
 
 
 
 

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