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80 children were on board flight MH17, UN says, as rebels 'attempt to destroy crash evidence'

Missile that killed 298 people on Malaysian airliner fired by Russian team, says Kiev

PUBLISHED : Saturday, 19 July, 2014, 7:11pm
UPDATED : Sunday, 20 July, 2014, 3:42pm
 

Ukraine accused Russia and pro-Moscow rebels on Saturday of destroying evidence to cover up their guilt in the shooting down of a Malaysian airliner that has accelerated a showdown between the Kremlin and Western powers.

As militants kept international monitors away from wreckage and scores of bodies festered for a third day, Russian President Vladimir Putin urged the rebels to cooperate and insisted that a U.N.-mandated investigation must not leap to conclusions. Moscow denies involvement and has pointed a finger at Kiev’s military.

Watch: "No answer" on fate of MH17 black boxes: OSCE

The Dutch government, whose citizens made up most of the 298 aboard MH17 from Amsterdam, said it was “furious” at the manhandling of corpses strewn for miles over open country and asked Ukraine’s president for help to bring “our people” home.

After US President Barack Obama said the loss of the Kuala Lumpur-bound flight showed it was time to end the conflict, Germany called it Moscow’s last chance to cooperate.

Click here to see which aircraft pass over Ukraine's war zone when flying between western Europe and Hong Kong

European powers seemed to swing behind Washington’s belief Russia’s separatist allies were to blame. That might speed new trade sanctions on Moscow, without waiting for definitive proof.

“He has one last chance to show he means to help,” Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said after a telephone call to Putin.

Britain, which lost 10 citizens, said further sanctions were available for use against Russia. “If Russia is the principal culprit, we can take further action against them and make it clear this kind of sponsored war is completely unacceptable,” Defence Minister Michael Fallon told the Mail on Sunday.

Prime Minister David Cameron, writing in The Sunday Times, said European countries should make their power count in dealing with the Ukraine crisis, “yet we sometimes behave as if we need Russia more than Russia needs us.”

German Chancellor Angela Merkel, the most powerful figure in the EU, spoke to Putin on Saturday, urging his cooperation. Merkel’s foreign minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, told Bild am Sonntag newspaper: “Moscow may have a last chance now to show that it really is seriously interested in a solution.”

“Now is the moment for everyone to stop and think to themselves what might happen if we don’t stop the escalation.”

Germany, reliant like other EU states on Russian energy and more engaged in Russian trade than the United States, has been reluctant to escalate a confrontation with Moscow that has revived memories of the Cold War. But with military action not seen as an option, economic leverage is a vital instrument.

Watch: Downed Malaysia Airlines jet MH17 - what we know so far

Russian retaliation 

Russia said on Saturday it was retaliating against sanctions imposed by the United States last week, before the air disaster, by barring entry to unnamed Americans and warned of a “boomerang effect” on US business. But Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and US Secretary of State John Kerry did agree in a phone call to try to get both sides in Ukraine to reach a consensus on peace, Russia’s Foreign Ministry said.

The State Department, however, put the onus on Russia, saying Kerry urged Russia to take “immediate and clear actions to reduce tensions in Ukraine.”

Driving home its assertion that the Boeing 777 was hit by a Russian SA-11 radar-guided missile, Ukraine’s Western-backed government said it had “compelling evidence” the battery was not just brought in from Russia but manned by three Russian citizens who had now taken the truck-mounted system back over the border.

The prime minister, denying Russian suggestions that Kiev’s forces had fired a missile, said only a “very professional” crew could have brought down the speeding jetliner from 33,000 feet (10,000 metres) - not “drunken gorillas” among the ill-trained insurgents who want the Russian-speaking east to be annexed by Moscow.

Fighting flared in eastern Ukraine on Saturday. The government said it was pressing its offensive in the east.

Observers from Europe’s OSCE security agency visited part of the crash site near the village of Hrabove for a second day on Saturday and again found their access hampered by armed men from the forces of the self-declared People’s Republic of Donetsk. An OSCE official said, however, they saw more than on Friday.

At one point, a Reuters correspondent heard a senior rebel tell the OSCE delegation they could not approach the wreckage and would simply be informed in due course of an investigation conducted by the separatists. However, fighters later let them visit an area where one of the airliner’s two engines lay.

“The terrorists, with the help of Russia, are trying to destroy evidence of international crimes,” the Ukrainian government said in a statement. “The terrorists have taken 38 bodies to the morgue in Donetsk,” it said, accusing people with “strong Russian accents” of threatening to conduct autopsies.

Ukraine’s prime minister said armed men had barred government experts from collecting evidence.

Kerry told Lavrov the United States is “very concerned” over reports that the remains of victims and debris from the crash site have been removed or tampered with, the State Department said. He said Washington was also concerned over denial of “proper access” for international investigators and OSCE monitors, it said.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko urged the United Nations on Saturday to label rebels fighting his forces in the eastern regions of Luhansk and Donetsk as belonging to “terrorist organisations”.

Retrieving remains

In the regional capital Donetsk, the prime minister of the separatist authorities told a news conference that Kiev was holding up the arrival of international experts whose mission to probe the cause - and potentially blame - for the disaster was authorised on Friday by the United Nations Security Council.

And contrary to earlier statements by the rebels, Alexander Borodai said they had not found the black box flight recorders. He said rebels were avoiding disturbing the area.

“There’s a grandmother. A body landed right in her bed. She says ‘please take this body away’. But we cannot tamper with the site,” Borodai said. “Bodies of innocent people are lying out in the heat. We reserve the right, if the delay continues ... to begin the process of taking away the bodies. We ask the Russian Federation to help us with this problem and send their experts.”

Midday temperatures are around 30 Celsius (85 Fahrenheit).

At Hrabove, one armed man from the separatist forces told Reuters that bodies had already been taken away in trucks. Another said that immediately after the crash people had looted valuables. But fighters and local people say they have been doing their best to collect evidence and preserve human remains.

As the stench of death began to pervade the area after Thursday’s crash, correspondents watched rescue workers carry bodies across the fields and gather remains in black sacks.

Meeting Ukrainian President Poroshenko in Kiev, Dutch Foreign Minister Frans Timmermans said: “We are already shocked by the news we got today of bodies being dragged around, of the site not being treated properly ... People are angry, furious.”

The Ukrainian security council in Kiev said staff of the Emergencies Ministry had found 186 bodies and had checked some 18 sq km (seven square miles) of the scattered 25-sq-km (10-square-mile) crash site. But the workers were not free to conduct a normal investigation.

“The fighters have let the Emergencies Ministry workers in there but they are not allowing them to take anything from the area,” security council spokesman Andriy Lysenko said. “The fighters are taking away all that has been found.”

Malaysia, whose national airline has been battered by its second major disaster this year, said it was “inhumane” to bar access to the site around the village of Hrabove, but said Russia was doing its “level best” to help.

A team of Malaysian experts flew in to Kiev on Saturday and experts from Interpol are due there on Sunday to help with the identification of victims. Dutch, US and a host of other specialists are being lined up to help in the investigation.

As tales of personal grief unfolded, Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak revealed his own family was involved - his 83-year-old step-grandmother had been aboard the flight.

The United Nations said 80 children were aboard. The deadliest attack on a commercial airliner follows the disappearance of flight MH370 in March with 239 passengers.

Malaysia Airlines has defended its use of the route, 1,000 feet (300 metres) above the area closed by Ukraine due to the hostilities. Some airlines had been avoiding the area, though many others were flying over. The issue has raised questions of liability for the deaths and damage and about international supervisors’ roles.

The scale of the disaster could prove a turning point for international pressure to resolve the crisis in Ukraine, which has killed hundreds since pro-Western protests toppled the Moscow-backed president in Kiev in February and Russia annexed the Crimea peninsula a month later.

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wumao
No surprises here. These Russian stooges calling themselves separatists are responsible for the murder of 298 innocent civilians. Of course they are going to try and destroy the evidence. They have already secreted the missile launcher responsible for this crime back across the Russian border. And Putin is blaming the Ukranians. Typical behavior from a totalitarian government.
Dao-Phooy
Watching the tv footage is an excellent pointer to those who bear responsibility for this mass murder. The puffed up commander of the so-called separatists presented a PR nightmare for Putin. The propaganda photo of Putin with clergy from the Russian Orthodox Church doesn't soften the image either. Putin needs to push those goons into co-operating with the international community to secure the site and release the remains to the grieving relatives.
A Kuro
The KIEV government and the US have blood on their hands with the death of 80 children on board flight MH17. The US is a terrorist state.
amunro
I think you need professional help.
shuike
An American destroyer did the same thing to Iran Air flight IR655 in July3, 1988 when it shot down a B747 with 290 passengers on board. Even when the US admitted the mistake, there were no recriminations from any of the western press nor were there calls for indictment in the UNSC nor were any reparations made to the victims. And all this happened inside Iranian waters. Makes you wonder doesn't it?
wumao
Sadly for Putin, and despite the best efforts of the criminals in charge of the crime scene, there will be sufficient evidence to support the case that Russia is behind this. And then, Putin will have to answer in a CRIMINAL court for his state backing of terrorism.
amunro
Freedom fighters? They are bunch of drunken thugs who are looting innocent victims' belongings, preventing humane treatment of bodies and deliberately blocking a legitimate and professional crash investigation. If you want to support these people, I guess that's your problem. The rest of the world (not just the West) seems to hold a different opinion from yours.
lamlm38
I thought in America one is presumed innocent until proven otherwise? Can someone shout 'DOUBLE STANDARD'!!!!
53cb26e1-2d40-4733-be6c-08d10a3209ca
A Spanish Air Traffic controller working in Ukraine is on record saying everyone was cleared out after the crash, and that he had records that two Ukrainian Fighters were following MH17 for 3 minutes just before the crash. Wake up people. This is the second 777 and why Malaysia? Didn't they convict Tony Blair and W Bush for War Crimes? This is no coincidence. And why, like MH370 did communications cut out... before the crash. According to Boeing these planes can be REMOTE CONTROLLED. You don't think that would be taken advantage of in the even of a war? Every country that bought 777's has a dagger hanging over their heads. BRICS announced 100 Billion dollar banking entity, Gold goes up and another Malaysian 777 falls out of the sky. Whoever wrote this article is a paid lackey..A repeater. Everyone knows the US dollar is about to crash harder and faster then MH17. The only way the US can get out of their debt is to issue more debt (what they are offering the Neo Nazi Backed Ukraine Government. or blow up more records like they did in 9/11. Look at the numbers 9/11 7/7 3/11 MH370 MH17 on 0717... Wakey Wakey any probability theorists out there? There's a currency war going on. This is how the US jockeys for position to mobilize public support.
jayb
this is the "he said, she said" kind of deal. very confusing. truth will never come out. i don't believe the Russian, the American and the Ukrainian. all have their own agenda. bottom line: US has started a cold war on Russia and Russia refuses to submit.
jayb
why is it so wrong to assume the Kiev led western Ukrainian govt try to take out Putin. the pro west Kiev govt have been killing civilians on eastern Ukraine for months, you don't get to hear this in the west except smaller publication like "The Nations" magazine (from US) or RT (from Russia). check it out. if Kiev doesn't mind bombing and killing thousands of civilians, why not taking out Putin? i am saying, i do not believe the Russian, the Kiev govt and the American. Ukraine is in the middle of a civil war PLUS a proxy "cold war" between the US and Russia. in war, there is no truth. MAS17 just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
wumao
lamim38, I guess 'double standards' doesn't apply to you.
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Judging from your posts, you don't seem to have any standards.
wumao
Stop embarrassing yourself.
andrewscarter
Yknot, deciding it was a criminal act is one thing (though quite who you are to sit in judgement remains unclear to me). However, deciding who it was when there is at least some very reasonable doubt about what happened suggests that you are far less interested in the facts than you are in making a point
Personally, I hesitate to accept the involvement of the same airline as being a total coincidence; I am also troubled by the extreme haste and apparent inconsistencies in some of the early accusations; and of course most of the victims in the earlier incident - which remains very much unresolved - were indeed Chinese
Frankly, I find your intemperate remarks tend to undermine ay credibility which your comments might otherwise have
longjohnsliver
Unless you're a child you ought to anticipate each side will blame the other, but I do wonder why the majority of coverage of this disaster involves comments from the Kiev gang, with merely as terse "Russia blame Ukraine" supposedly filling in for balance.
Oh yes and lots from Uncle Sam a nation that is as thickly entangled in this intrigue as any. I also note your reporters have comments from that idiot Prime Minister out of Australia, another handy yapper for the western based Kiev organizers.
If you need to rely on wire services then please at least edit out as much of the hubris as you can. It's tiring.
wumao
…….., Get your facts right.
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Even the SCMP has posted a story reporting what the Russian press are saying- that the Ukranians were trying to shoot down Putin's plane- I'm sure that is a story someone of your ilk could embrace and spread.
lamlm38
all those boneheaded accusations/rantings of the Russian involvement are your standards? Why the heck does the downing of an civilian aircraft benefit him in the first place? he may be a dictator but he is smart one.. like a moron like you!!!
lamlm38
Some of the same missiles launchers were left behind by those irresponsible Ukrainian military when they retreated.. so how do you know which one is which?
lamlm38
I guess if someone is not kissing up to the West they are branded criminals.. these are freedom fighters to us in the East!! suck on it YKnot!!!
wumao
This is not an East vs West issue. Many of the victims were in fact Malaysian and Malaysia has close links with China.
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This was a criminal act that took the lives of innocent victims. The passengers on this flight could have been any nationality- would you still be making the comments you do if the victims were Chinese?
andrewscarter
No, Yknot - the rocket launcher was an invisible Fairy Unicorn Mark V sent over on purpose by the North Koreans, and then spirited away on a magic carpet to a secret hideout deep inside an island volcano, on Mars probably
Do you not realise how intemperate and absurd your remarks appear? The simple truth is that, at the present time, none of us really have any idea what has happened, other than via what other people choose to tell us, and I hesitate to describe Putin's government as "totalitarian" when I compare it to a number of other prize examples on display in e.g. Bahrain, Israel, the United States, the UK and most obviously Ukraine
You appear to be extremely angry, and your comments tell us far more about you than tney ever could about events in Eastern Europe
wumao
Most caring people are angry at what has happened and the way that these criminals are denying dignity to the bodies of those who perished and contaminating evidence on the crime scene.
wumao
It doesn't benefit him. He didn't give the order. But he supplied the missile launcher to these separatists (led by Russians sent by Putin who are interfering in the internal affairs of Ukraine) and they fired it. Stupid move by all concerned.
wumao
What is happening at this crime scene is appalling.
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These criminals are also letting the bodies decompose denying these victims dignity.
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And what for? To destroy and contaminate evidence. To make it as difficult as possible to put LEGAL responsibility where it belongs- with Putin.
wumao
Well, I guess if you still believed the earth was flat you might believe this Russian story.
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But of course you would have to choose between this fabrication and the other story in the Russian media- the plane was shot down by a Ukranian fighter. Both can't be true but get coverage in Russia. No mention of course that pro-Russian separatists downed the plane.
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What you fail to appreciate is that not all press are equal. In Russia the press are tightly controlled by the government. This is not so in the west. The media can and do question government versions of events.
andrewscarter
Yknot
up to this point I was uncertain whether your apparent crass stupidity was real or just a front, but now I know you must be joking. Yours is a very subtle sense of humour, I must say, taking irony to an entirely new level
are you aware of the inherent hypocrisy represented by e.g. this recent news story (which was reported by that well-known Commie stooge wumao totalitarian propaganda outfit, the Times of India?)
****timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/CNN-pulls-reporter-out-of-the-middle-east-after-scum-tweet/articleshow/38684302.cms
cesar.mariano.5
SANITIZED THE SCENE OF THE CRIME
Ukraine, Separatist rebels have to scavenge and search for anything from salvageable materials, refuse and decaying matter and take them away to prevent any usable evidence from reaching the hands of forensic expert that can establish validity that plane was destroy by a missile projectile where its origin and perpetrators can be determined after a thorough investigation.
honger
Kiev cruelly and ruthlessly printed the picture of the charred body of a baby on the front page of its govt controlled paper just the next day after.
Kiev might be the one behind this - they and their backers stand to benefit the most from this terrible disaster.
andrewscarter
The manipulation of this story - and the attendant Comments - is conspicuous and transparent; I have confidence that the truth will one day come out, though I doubt that any of the paid shills, trolls and presstitutes will feel even the slightest jolt of shame or embarassment
Here's the dope: we know what you guys are up to, and most of us aren't falling for it any more this time than we did with Syria, Libya, Iraq, Occupy Central, the Scarborough Shoal, the Diaoyu's or the previous Malaysian 777 jet
wumao
Good to see you acknowledging that the missile was fired by the pro-Russian separatists, led in many cases by Russians, and funded, trained and supplied by Moscow, from the the area held by them.
peye3515
Everyone has an opinion. Especially the ones who are living in a world of their own dilution.
wumao
resorting to abuse only shows how weak your arguments are …. but why should this surprise anyone ….. you say you believe in fairies and unicorns …. and conspiracies.

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