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Letters

What are the costs and benefits of the current protests in Hong Kong?
The costs are clear: billions of dollars in shop closures, unemployment, reduced visitor numbers, starved charities.
But what are the upsides? What are the benefits of the protests? Surely there are some?
So far, I can think of only one. The extradition bill was withdrawn shortly after the first protests. Conclusion: (a) the protests were effective and (b) the government was responsive.
But protests continued. Have they gained any more upside?
Well, now it’s “five demands” – not just one.
Three of these extra demands are only because of the protests. Not because they are causes fought for.
These are the “self-centred demands”:
1. Stop calling us “rioters”.
2. Give us all amnesty, and …
3. Investigate the police (but not us!)
However:
1. You can’t stop calling rioters “rioters” if in fact they are, well, rioters. It does violence to language to demand otherwise.
2. The second demand does violence to the rule of law, which the protesters claim to champion. How can we give blanket amnesty to people who have killed bystanders and set people on fire?
3. Investigate the police – but don’t investigate any of the wanton vandalism of the protesters? This one does violence to the concept of fairness.
That leaves only the last “demand”, which is for universal suffrage. But trying to achieve this by violent protest is doomed to failure. Thinking otherwise is delusional.
Who are violent Hong Kong protesters hurting? It’s not Beijing
Universal suffrage is not a “promise” is being broken by Beijing (as is so often claimed). The Basic Law makes it clear: The Chief Executive is to be selected by “election or through consultations held locally” and “the method … shall be specified in the light of the actual situation” in Hong Kong. No promise there. 
And the “actual situation” has clearly moved against it.
What this means is that what has been achieved by the protests and what will be achieved is: zero.
An essentially nativist and populist movement has been romanticised to being “pro-democracy”. It is not.
It’s past time we faced reality: the protests are hugely costly without a single benefit. They must stop.
Perhaps then we can get back to the “actual situation”, allowing discussion of how to proceed with universal suffrage.
Peter Forsythe, Discovery Bay

Police need to see the funny side of things
There was a photo on the back page of your December 24 edition which highlighted, to me at least, one of the major problems with the Hong Kong police.
The photograph was of a British policeman with a Santa hat on top of his helmet. I have witnessed police crowd control in Hong Kong on numerous occasions and one feature which stands out is the refusal of police to communicate with the crowd, whereas in the UK, New Zealand and, I am sure, many other countries – one of the first things the police would do is to chat to the crowd to develop a rapport.
The photograph showed that the British police have a sense of humour, something sadly lacking here with both the police and our politicians.
A bit of humour and a sense of fun do not cause the public to lose respect in authority, quite the contrary.
Andy Statham, Happy Valley


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Why violent Hong Kong protests don’t stand to reason: look in the Basic Law

Hong Kong protesters in action at an eatery inside a shopping mall in Mong Kok on December 26. Photo: Nora Tam

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Not Trump, nor Hong Kong police or protesters: no one is above the law

Protesters put up an effigy of Chief Executive Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor covering her ears and eyes, in light of perceived government inaction over months of protests and the protesters’ five demands, including an inquiry into police action, in Admiralty on October 16. Photo: Felix Wong

Hong Kong protests: which country in the world would tolerate this level of violence?

Protesters throw petrol bombs at police outside Hong Kong Polytechnic University in Kowloon on November 17. Photo: Kyodo

Hong Kong protests: why there’s no sense in blaming ‘both sides’

Anti-government protesters react to tear gar fired by riot police in Central following a march on the early hours of November 11, 2019. Photo: Winson Wong

Hong Kong protest violence is the product of peaceful persuasion ignored

A tender moment between protesters in the middle of a blocked road following an unsanctioned march through Hong Kong on September 29. Photo: AFP

Letters | Why violent Hong Kong protests don’t stand to reason: look in the Basic Law